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Visited here a few times - always the only one there. Normally that's just fine with me if I'm just shopping but it does kinda defeat the purpose for an adult hunt game.
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Seems smaller than implied and just seems to be someone's house. Is this a fetish area or just someone's house who hopes people will visit for sex?
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Technically Maetreya Lara X. Not sure where/if there is an Athena X in OS yet (probably but I haven't seen it). Lara X is an "evolution" of Lara. I've not checked myself but I believe I am correct in saying that Lara X body wont take (properly) the Lara clothing and visa-versa. My gut feeling is it will be some time before Lara X makes much headway here.
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Hi Glenys, thank you I had a feeling it was the Matrieya Lara X body. Thank you for the confirmation. I use the Athena body here and Matrieya in SL, but I know they did the addition to the X body there. I haven't tried it out. Been too busy her. , I haven't seen Athena past 6. I do believe your gut is correct.
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I've been Lara Petite in SL for years now - but have not moved onto Lara Petite X due to having to then spend out on new clothes for it - or its kinda pointless getting. If they are both coming to OS though - maybe its worth it.
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I "think" shes just trying - as you say - to protect the idea of RL Age Play. With all this going on - most people don't realise that "RL AgePlay" - while maybe on the fringe" is perfectly legal as its two adults doing a RP that may or may not be sexual. In RL ofc - neither of them suddenly look like a child. They are clearly two adults RPing between themselves.
So I would agree that RL AgePlay isnt the same as what we're talking about here. However, in virtual - one can go the extra step and wear the body of a child. This is still ageplay IMO. The fact that RL AgePlay is legal - doesnt stop this being ageplay too.
I would even go so far as to say that MAYBE virtual sexual ageplay isnt in theory much different - its an adult RPing a younger role. However the big difference is that it then becomes Pixel child porn - and that is clearly illegal in many places.
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So I would agree that RL AgePlay isnt the same as what we're talking about here. However, in virtual - one can go the extra step and wear the body of a child. This is still ageplay IMO. The fact that RL AgePlay is legal - doesnt stop this being ageplay too.
I would even go so far as to say that MAYBE virtual sexual ageplay isnt in theory much different - its an adult RPing a younger role. However the big difference is that it then becomes Pixel child porn - and that is clearly illegal in many places.
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I'm not saying there is no validity to what you are saying - but I would question the "of they will do it in virtual they are likely to do it in RL" idea used here. I know you didn't exactly say this is the case - but it is a common feeling. What I would say is that if we are going to use this kind of reasoning then combat RP games should be out too. I mean if you're going to shoot someone with a gun in virtual, maybe you will in RL!
I am sure some would say this isnt the same thing - but I maintain that the whole "if you will do it in virtual maybe you will do it in RL" is fundamentally flawed.
Note that I am not saying that someone doing anything in virtual CANT do it in RL, but just that its a bit of a jump and often unfounded.
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I am sure some would say this isnt the same thing - but I maintain that the whole "if you will do it in virtual maybe you will do it in RL" is fundamentally flawed.
Note that I am not saying that someone doing anything in virtual CANT do it in RL, but just that its a bit of a jump and often unfounded.
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I was looking for that myself a while back. I couldn't find anything that would perfectly however.
In the end I used a notecard giver to give it the person's advert and a mailbox script for someone to drop a note to the person. I then made all the boards so someone could buy the original copy. They could then put their photo on the board and their note in the main board. They could also view any notes sometime left.
This works with any grids as anyone can buy the boards etc. Leaving notes works well as cross grid offline messages don't work.
I've used this in my matchmaker region. Unfortunately also I did feature this region for someone very few people have actually use it.
I worked love to see something like this (anywhere) that catered for a wide range and that was actually well used but I think people in os seem to be less willing to do this than in SL.
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In the end I used a notecard giver to give it the person's advert and a mailbox script for someone to drop a note to the person. I then made all the boards so someone could buy the original copy. They could then put their photo on the board and their note in the main board. They could also view any notes sometime left.
This works with any grids as anyone can buy the boards etc. Leaving notes works well as cross grid offline messages don't work.
I've used this in my matchmaker region. Unfortunately also I did feature this region for someone very few people have actually use it.
I worked love to see something like this (anywhere) that catered for a wide range and that was actually well used but I think people in os seem to be less willing to do this than in SL.
Thanks for the information about your work to make your board and the results. And thanks for your willingness to have this placed in a region more visited. If anyone is interested in visiting the Matchmaker Region, here is the link: grid.sub-version.space:8002:MatchMaker.
What other features would you like your board to have that you were unable to make? We might find someone here who could build those features into your board.
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What other features would you like your board to have that you were unable to make? We might find someone here who could build those features into your board.
What I was looking for originally was a board that something could "like" and you could see who likes it etc.
However in SL this works really well largely because you can always see someone's profile. You can always send someone a notecard or a message. In OS however that's more problematic, unless that are on the same grid. Profile not available, unknown to the grid etc, unsure to send offline messages means a system like that looks useful. There needs to be a way to message someone cross grids.
The BEST option works probably use a web based back end and users wear a hud that syncs with the web to send them notifications in world if the get a message. This would work cross grids and rename enable you to see the status of your "board" at all times.
However it would require a lot of work and likely would still not be used enough to make it worth the effort.
It's a shame. I'm sure there are a number of people out there looking for some kind of connection but there are not many places to go.
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However in SL this works really well largely because you can always see someone's profile. You can always send someone a notecard or a message. In OS however that's more problematic, unless that are on the same grid. Profile not available, unknown to the grid etc, unsure to send offline messages means a system like that looks useful. There needs to be a way to message someone cross grids.
The BEST option works probably use a web based back end and users wear a hud that syncs with the web to send them notifications in world if the get a message. This would work cross grids and rename enable you to see the status of your "board" at all times.
However it would require a lot of work and likely would still not be used enough to make it worth the effort.
It's a shame. I'm sure there are a number of people out there looking for some kind of connection but there are not many places to go.
What I found in SL is that people suck as much writing a "dating" note card as they do writing their profile. What I did was have questions on the vended note card. One example: "What time zone are you in?"
The boards I used in SL would notify the user how many times their board was clicked. The clicks were based on the persons picture. I let users know that if they got only a few clicks that I would do a profile picture for them. The user could compare the number of clicks to the number of note cards they received. If someone was getting a poor response, they could contact me for help re-writing their note card. In many cases, they failed to answer the questions in the vended note card. If that was the case, I'd tell them to contact me if the problem continued after completing the note card.
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The boards I used in SL would notify the user how many times their board was clicked. The clicks were based on the persons picture. I let users know that if they got only a few clicks that I would do a profile picture for them. The user could compare the number of clicks to the number of note cards they received. If someone was getting a poor response, they could contact me for help re-writing their note card. In many cases, they failed to answer the questions in the vended note card. If that was the case, I'd tell them to contact me if the problem continued after completing the note card.
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I get that. But I do think it's unfortunate. As mentioned earlier there are a number of reasons for someone playing a child avatar that do not represent anything "bad". However in RL most kids have parents and other adults in their lives. With everyone so scared of child avatar in whatever context it's disappointing for those child avatars that are treated like typhoid Mary.
I do see why.... But it's still disappointing.
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I do see why.... But it's still disappointing.
I get your point, for me it comes down to personal experience and real life things. I just am being careful
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I believe in the "real world" some "littles" (adults who may dress/act childish) may engage in "adult activities" but many others do not as they feel it doesnt feel right when they are in "littlespace". I think this just has to be right for the little and his/her caregiver and its noone elses business really. I've not really heard those who engage in this livestyle in RL call it "sexual ageplay" though. It's just "ageplay" (and whatever is done while engaging in that play).
Again though - I stress I am talking about adults engaging in RL roleplay such as Dom/little or Domme/little dynamics.
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Again though - I stress I am talking about adults engaging in RL roleplay such as Dom/little or Domme/little dynamics.
in real life we do not call it sexual Ageplay, never have and never will. its just a made up term, we dont ever want to have sex with kids eithers. again any of that stuff seen online is pedo or incest play.
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If its a couple of cartoon avatars - one (or more) with a child avatar - then yes. However, If its a couple of adult avatars - but one is wearing (for example) a pacifier and diaper (but still an adult avatar) then that is not "criminalised". There is no depiction of a child involved - just two adult avatars engaging in "whatever". I think THIS is (one example) of ageplay that Missresssdiagato is referring to (as opposed to actual child avatars).
If course the other half of this question is...... two adult avatars..... but how old are their "typists"?
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If course the other half of this question is...... two adult avatars..... but how old are their "typists"?
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just to "nit-pick" incest doesnt have to be with a child - just saying :P
However I do agree with your points. If I wear a child avatar and have sex that's not "ageplay" in the true meaning (I do get that some would say I am "playing a child - so its ageplay"). However, if I want feel free from my responsibilties and "act" childish - wear childish clothes - play with blocks etc but wearing my adult avatar..... then THAT is ageplay. "Acting" as a child - while not "wearing a child avatar" is ageplay. It being in a sexual context or not is not relevant to it.
One point that does irritate me though is that so many people will say someone is a "child avatar" if they are not a 7ft tall amazon with tanga breasts! I always (in SL and OS) wear a petite avatar. I believe my avatar looks like a young adult - but I've had my share of being banned from places because I am not over 6ft tall etc. I only mention this here because some people consider some adult avatars as child avatars which does muddy the waters somewhat.
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However I do agree with your points. If I wear a child avatar and have sex that's not "ageplay" in the true meaning (I do get that some would say I am "playing a child - so its ageplay"). However, if I want feel free from my responsibilties and "act" childish - wear childish clothes - play with blocks etc but wearing my adult avatar..... then THAT is ageplay. "Acting" as a child - while not "wearing a child avatar" is ageplay. It being in a sexual context or not is not relevant to it.
One point that does irritate me though is that so many people will say someone is a "child avatar" if they are not a 7ft tall amazon with tanga breasts! I always (in SL and OS) wear a petite avatar. I believe my avatar looks like a young adult - but I've had my share of being banned from places because I am not over 6ft tall etc. I only mention this here because some people consider some adult avatars as child avatars which does muddy the waters somewhat.
I agree with what you said, i know incest is not just with a child but it can be part of it. with the young adult petite avatar bodies they have come out with now do make it hard because they look so young. I always try and as first but even there it seems we offend everyone just by asking.
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I never get offended by someone asking if my avatar is over 18. The only time I get offended (and angry tbh) is when someone insists that she is not 18. I swear people must have never met many 18 year olds!!
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Sorry..... "prejudice.... will not work"? And then..... "people should ban child avatars and grids ban everyone who doesnt ban child avatars"? Am I the only one that seems some "conflict" with those two???
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You misquoted me. Here is what I said. "What will work is for people to ban child AVs in their regions, What will work is grids ban the people on grids that do not ban child AVs." That's confusing enough without claiming I said something I didn't.
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Ok, I didn't use the "same words" you used.... but you did say it will work for grids to "ban the people on grids that do not ban child AVs" and tthen said that prejudice will noit work. Banning anyone that doesnt also ban child AVs is prejudicial. Some people may consider that acceptable - thats not in question. It may be considered a choice worth making. Whatever it's reason though - its prejudicial.
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Yes, and people can act out of prejudice and do all the things I mentioned. That will work to keep child AVs off a particular region/grid. I didn't explain why that won't work to eliminate all child AVs in OS. One, it's doubtful every grid will do these things. Two, if someone wants to have a place for child AVs, they can start their own grid. It's been done, and more than once.
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Oh I agree - and I believe it was similar to what Harper was saying - it can work: prejudice can work quite well.
Also, don't get me wrong: People SHOULD be free to have their own spaces without "something they don't want". If I was a space that only allows those with Pink hair - I should be allowed to do so. OFC policing it would be my problem!
I also see OS (and SL too) as tools that can help people act out things they cant do in RL: I'm talking about those who may have social anxiety for example.... meeting people in virtual can be a step to helping them in RL. There are several similar things like this. Some people may have valid reasons for wanting to "relive their childhood" or "experiencing a childhood they were robbed of" etc. I personally consider this a good reason to allow child avatars. OFC I support the idea of this in certain areas - noone should expect a "right" to play a child avatar "anywhere they like". Follow the rules of the site you are visiting - and do not expect to be welcome in an "adult" rated area wearing a child avatar!
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Also, don't get me wrong: People SHOULD be free to have their own spaces without "something they don't want". If I was a space that only allows those with Pink hair - I should be allowed to do so. OFC policing it would be my problem!
I also see OS (and SL too) as tools that can help people act out things they cant do in RL: I'm talking about those who may have social anxiety for example.... meeting people in virtual can be a step to helping them in RL. There are several similar things like this. Some people may have valid reasons for wanting to "relive their childhood" or "experiencing a childhood they were robbed of" etc. I personally consider this a good reason to allow child avatars. OFC I support the idea of this in certain areas - noone should expect a "right" to play a child avatar "anywhere they like". Follow the rules of the site you are visiting - and do not expect to be welcome in an "adult" rated area wearing a child avatar!
From the Second Life Wiki
Why play a child in Second Life?
There are a great many reasons to play a child within Second Life, and it is plenty likely that every person playing a child might have their own reasons. Here are six.
1. A way to recapture some of the spirit of youth. Much like the old Twilight Zone episode, "Kick The Can," it allows one to 'be' a child, and run and jump, and play unencumbered with the responsibilities of adulthood.
2. "Re-imagining" bad childhoods. Many SL kids have faced childhoods filled with illness or disability. Many (by no means all) were victims of sexual or other abuses as a child, and this is allowing them to "rewrite" some of those childhood experiences with much healthier ones.
3. Related to the above, many may also want to have childhoods they could not, with all the toys and goodies they may have been denied for some reason. Always wanted that Easy Bake Oven? Go buy or make it in SL. Want the big swingset, or a pony, or whatever? All yours for a few pennies.
4. For fun. It can be a fun type of character to play, allowing for a childlike innocence and whimsey to come to the forefront, and providing for many opportunities to be "silly" that might not otherwise feel comfortable in an adult avatar.
5. A few may feel more comfortable in the role of a child, for whatever reason. While some of these might fall under various "philia" subsets (adult babies, for example), not all do.
6. Some may simply enjoy the roleplaying challenge of playing a kid, which isn't always as easy as one might think.
7. Some avatars may specifically create a child avatar to "escape" from the sexual content in other areas of Second Life. This may include victims of RL child abuse or it may not.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Child_Avatar
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Why play a child in Second Life?
There are a great many reasons to play a child within Second Life, and it is plenty likely that every person playing a child might have their own reasons. Here are six.
1. A way to recapture some of the spirit of youth. Much like the old Twilight Zone episode, "Kick The Can," it allows one to 'be' a child, and run and jump, and play unencumbered with the responsibilities of adulthood.
2. "Re-imagining" bad childhoods. Many SL kids have faced childhoods filled with illness or disability. Many (by no means all) were victims of sexual or other abuses as a child, and this is allowing them to "rewrite" some of those childhood experiences with much healthier ones.
3. Related to the above, many may also want to have childhoods they could not, with all the toys and goodies they may have been denied for some reason. Always wanted that Easy Bake Oven? Go buy or make it in SL. Want the big swingset, or a pony, or whatever? All yours for a few pennies.
4. For fun. It can be a fun type of character to play, allowing for a childlike innocence and whimsey to come to the forefront, and providing for many opportunities to be "silly" that might not otherwise feel comfortable in an adult avatar.
5. A few may feel more comfortable in the role of a child, for whatever reason. While some of these might fall under various "philia" subsets (adult babies, for example), not all do.
6. Some may simply enjoy the roleplaying challenge of playing a kid, which isn't always as easy as one might think.
7. Some avatars may specifically create a child avatar to "escape" from the sexual content in other areas of Second Life. This may include victims of RL child abuse or it may not.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Child_Avatar
Very good list! Definately agree with number 6 - with the number of people against the idea of child avatars for any reason, many people wishing to play a child avatar are often left to do so with no company. In RL Children need adults. Finding adults willing to RP a family situation (a PG family I am talking about) is very hard.
Some years ago I have attempted to play a child avatar in both SL and OS and find someone to "adopt" me (I wont go into my personal reasons for wanting to try this). After weeks of looking and registering on some adoptoin agencies I found someone........ Turns out he was running a club and he wanted me to "entertain" his customers.............
So yeah..... it can be very hard to play a child for many reasons!
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Some years ago I have attempted to play a child avatar in both SL and OS and find someone to "adopt" me (I wont go into my personal reasons for wanting to try this). After weeks of looking and registering on some adoptoin agencies I found someone........ Turns out he was running a club and he wanted me to "entertain" his customers.............
So yeah..... it can be very hard to play a child for many reasons!
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It seems things ARE marked as copy - but they never arrive in my inventory. This is a problem I have had with Josh's copy of the vault at AviWorlds too - originally (although it was ok last time I was there). I think it may be something about the OAR that needs fixing - or it just requires a LOT of CPU for the region to run properly.
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I was having that happen too, I restarted the region and it seems to be working :) Yeah, there is just a huge amount there but that's why we love it!
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Cool - I will give it another look in a moment and hopefully re-evaluate my review! I really DO want to give this a 5 star review as the content of this OAR is fantastic..... and if you are planning to ADD to what it has already.... thats GOT to be good! :)
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We're adding a lot down on the ground too, and yes, the oar is amazing! We'll be definitely adding as we go along !
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Just revisited - and could get all the things I couldn't get before so - thank you :)
I've updated my review to match :) Look forward to seeing what exciting new things are put here over time - good luck :)
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I've updated my review to match :) Look forward to seeing what exciting new things are put here over time - good luck :)
Thank you so much! Yes, I think the occasional restart will do it. We're running on a 64 G RAM server ....so we should be good! Thank you for the review :)
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Maybe not Crazy, but you're here too now....... do you have nothing better to do either :D Maybe you're just getting ready for popcorn? :D
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I think you are underestimating how much it costs to run a grid the size of Wolf Territories. This is not some single server say in someone's back room. Lone has a significant investment in servers in data centres in various locations, along with specialist performance services that I know from experience are not inexpensive.
As for not being able to take your stuff out - that is simply not true. I recently decided to leave Wolf Terrirories - my reasons are my own. However Lone was understanding and at no point rude or anything like that. I backed up and took OARs of my regions - and I have them running again on my own little grid. There was never any question about who owned my content. Never any issue with taking backups. (IAR backups are another story but there are very good reasons to restrict those even just based on logistics: they can take a LONG time and use a LOT of asset server resources to generate).
Some genuinly find Wolf Territories to be a high performance grid - others less so. I think that is probably the case with most grids.
If I were to point ANY critisism at the grid at all - it would be that it has perhaps become a victim of its success. In recent months there has been a large influx to the grid - and that has had a knock on effect on performance. However Lone IS working hard to make sure the grid works well for everyone.
Ultimately - like any grid - I would say try it - and if it doesn't work for you - then look somewhere else. There is really no need to "slag it off".
Last thoughts: The community in Wolf Territories is really pretty good. I DID decide to leave and go back to my own grid (its much easier for a very small grid to have decent performance), but due to the support and community there I resisted for some time. Have I agreed with everything Lone has done? No, of course not! But I will say he has - and continues - to try hard for his users.
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As for not being able to take your stuff out - that is simply not true. I recently decided to leave Wolf Terrirories - my reasons are my own. However Lone was understanding and at no point rude or anything like that. I backed up and took OARs of my regions - and I have them running again on my own little grid. There was never any question about who owned my content. Never any issue with taking backups. (IAR backups are another story but there are very good reasons to restrict those even just based on logistics: they can take a LONG time and use a LOT of asset server resources to generate).
Some genuinly find Wolf Territories to be a high performance grid - others less so. I think that is probably the case with most grids.
If I were to point ANY critisism at the grid at all - it would be that it has perhaps become a victim of its success. In recent months there has been a large influx to the grid - and that has had a knock on effect on performance. However Lone IS working hard to make sure the grid works well for everyone.
Ultimately - like any grid - I would say try it - and if it doesn't work for you - then look somewhere else. There is really no need to "slag it off".
Last thoughts: The community in Wolf Territories is really pretty good. I DID decide to leave and go back to my own grid (its much easier for a very small grid to have decent performance), but due to the support and community there I resisted for some time. Have I agreed with everything Lone has done? No, of course not! But I will say he has - and continues - to try hard for his users.
as I wrote, maybe you didn't read, he has virtual servers that reduce performance, he shows them in his youtube videos, he doesn't have physical and dedicated servers like other grids.
it doesn't impota how much it costs for him, his product is slow and shoddy for $50 per month base for one region (yes they are var, but they are still single regions as structure and very heavy).
how much do you think Linden Lab spends on his (non-virtual) servers each month? yet the basic premium starts at 5$ if I'm not mistaken right? so he can spend as much as he wants, but to venture these costs by passing off his network as the best, is ridiculous, there are grids that do better and have lower costs, try it yourself, some of them are not even listed here anymore.
Lone's reminds me of Avitron's little game of "we are the best."
as far as taking things out, he is telling people that by spending $50 they will have 1.2 million prims, and that attracts them, especially those who do not have full technical expertise, if you concentrate 50,000 prims in a space of size 256x256 in that immense var that wolf territory offers you, and you do not find a grid where you can place via the "displacement" command just that slice of land with 50. 000 allocated prims that you need, how many additional prims do you have to buy if that grid of your interest offers them? and how many regions do you need to do at least half as much work as you built in Wolf Territories? do you see what I mean?
so if you don't fill (as i said) your region with 1.2million prims you are still wasting your money! it is a way to make money and attract people, nothing more, unfair and unfair.
not everyone knows how to properly set up an OAR with the "displacement" command to center a place of interest from a larger region, and not everyone can offer you that number of prims, you'll have to spend more anyway.
so for the average, non-technically advanced user, it's always going to be more complicated, and it's only fair that people know this.
wolf territories is a grid that has absolutely no high performance, and neither are its virtual servers, visit other grids not listed here for example (so we are not biased) and you will see the difference... or visit the ones listed here and you will see that Lone's grid is becoming overrated compared to many others, it does not offer for example, and as I have already explained, better performance than DreamGrid in a home computer.
it will NEVER work well that grid because of the way it is structured, we have already said that, a lot depends on the viewers as well, and loading that vast concatenation of territories will always give problems (if you want to talk more in depth technically I am at your disposal... but please read other comments well first).
it strives like any grid operator strives to make users and try to have a minimum of revenue, nothing special, just, it doesn't have to sell for gold what gold is not! :)
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it doesn't impota how much it costs for him, his product is slow and shoddy for $50 per month base for one region (yes they are var, but they are still single regions as structure and very heavy).
how much do you think Linden Lab spends on his (non-virtual) servers each month? yet the basic premium starts at 5$ if I'm not mistaken right? so he can spend as much as he wants, but to venture these costs by passing off his network as the best, is ridiculous, there are grids that do better and have lower costs, try it yourself, some of them are not even listed here anymore.
Lone's reminds me of Avitron's little game of "we are the best."
as far as taking things out, he is telling people that by spending $50 they will have 1.2 million prims, and that attracts them, especially those who do not have full technical expertise, if you concentrate 50,000 prims in a space of size 256x256 in that immense var that wolf territory offers you, and you do not find a grid where you can place via the "displacement" command just that slice of land with 50. 000 allocated prims that you need, how many additional prims do you have to buy if that grid of your interest offers them? and how many regions do you need to do at least half as much work as you built in Wolf Territories? do you see what I mean?
so if you don't fill (as i said) your region with 1.2million prims you are still wasting your money! it is a way to make money and attract people, nothing more, unfair and unfair.
not everyone knows how to properly set up an OAR with the "displacement" command to center a place of interest from a larger region, and not everyone can offer you that number of prims, you'll have to spend more anyway.
so for the average, non-technically advanced user, it's always going to be more complicated, and it's only fair that people know this.
wolf territories is a grid that has absolutely no high performance, and neither are its virtual servers, visit other grids not listed here for example (so we are not biased) and you will see the difference... or visit the ones listed here and you will see that Lone's grid is becoming overrated compared to many others, it does not offer for example, and as I have already explained, better performance than DreamGrid in a home computer.
it will NEVER work well that grid because of the way it is structured, we have already said that, a lot depends on the viewers as well, and loading that vast concatenation of territories will always give problems (if you want to talk more in depth technically I am at your disposal... but please read other comments well first).
it strives like any grid operator strives to make users and try to have a minimum of revenue, nothing special, just, it doesn't have to sell for gold what gold is not! :)
Unfortunately you are mistaken.
Yes, Lone has started using some high performance droplets for some of his regions. Yes they are more expensive - but he only uses these for SOME of his regions. They can only run around 4 regions per droplet.
I have had a lot of experience with Digital Ocean droplets in the past and they are high performance.
He also uses several physical servers running ProxMox and yes - runs virtual machines on these. This is VERY common - and virtualisation is used in just about EVERY large or medium enterprise and even many small enterprises. The performance hit with using a virtual machine is negligable providing it's not overloaded.
Comparing SL premium to region prices on Wolf Territories is like comparing apples and oranges - they are not simiar at all. If you want to make comparisons - compare free SL basic SL account to Wolf's free account. Or compaire SL's region pricing to Wolf's region pricing. Do not compare SL's premium account (with only a 512m plot) to Wolf's 4x4 region pricing - thats ludicrous.
Yes, we all know Lone advertises his regions as 1.2 million prims. We also know that noone will ever do that. We also all know that even while he may not restict them - the region would crawl to a halt long before it got to 1.2 million prims. I have actually personally pointed that out to him I would and have suggested he changes that claim - as I do agree it is misleading. However, as noone will ever do that - the chances of someone not being able to restore the region elsewhere due to it is minimal at best. As for having to offeset the region to be able to restore part of it on a standard region size - I think that point is extreme. You could make that same argument with any grid that has 4x4 regions. Should varregions be banned or something?
Ultimately though - this response was about your claim he uses virtual servers and has no physical servers. I know this is incorrect - I know he has physical servers. I know he uses these physical servers to run virtual servers which is what most organisations do. I know the performance impact of this is very small unless the physical servers are overloaded. I know he also uses virtual servers (Digital Ocean Droplets) which are high performance.
Please do not claim that opensim runs slowly on well provisioned virtual servers. It runs just fine. Source: 30+ years as an IT professional dealing with Linux system administration, ProxMox andVMWare virtualisation, system and network management.
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Yes, Lone has started using some high performance droplets for some of his regions. Yes they are more expensive - but he only uses these for SOME of his regions. They can only run around 4 regions per droplet.
I have had a lot of experience with Digital Ocean droplets in the past and they are high performance.
He also uses several physical servers running ProxMox and yes - runs virtual machines on these. This is VERY common - and virtualisation is used in just about EVERY large or medium enterprise and even many small enterprises. The performance hit with using a virtual machine is negligable providing it's not overloaded.
Comparing SL premium to region prices on Wolf Territories is like comparing apples and oranges - they are not simiar at all. If you want to make comparisons - compare free SL basic SL account to Wolf's free account. Or compaire SL's region pricing to Wolf's region pricing. Do not compare SL's premium account (with only a 512m plot) to Wolf's 4x4 region pricing - thats ludicrous.
Yes, we all know Lone advertises his regions as 1.2 million prims. We also know that noone will ever do that. We also all know that even while he may not restict them - the region would crawl to a halt long before it got to 1.2 million prims. I have actually personally pointed that out to him I would and have suggested he changes that claim - as I do agree it is misleading. However, as noone will ever do that - the chances of someone not being able to restore the region elsewhere due to it is minimal at best. As for having to offeset the region to be able to restore part of it on a standard region size - I think that point is extreme. You could make that same argument with any grid that has 4x4 regions. Should varregions be banned or something?
Ultimately though - this response was about your claim he uses virtual servers and has no physical servers. I know this is incorrect - I know he has physical servers. I know he uses these physical servers to run virtual servers which is what most organisations do. I know the performance impact of this is very small unless the physical servers are overloaded. I know he also uses virtual servers (Digital Ocean Droplets) which are high performance.
Please do not claim that opensim runs slowly on well provisioned virtual servers. It runs just fine. Source: 30+ years as an IT professional dealing with Linux system administration, ProxMox andVMWare virtualisation, system and network management.
Instead, you didn't read the comments as I asked.
I clearly said that the region of Lunaria for example is the only one where there are few problems...precisely because of a question of priority, so you are writing what I have already SAID before, but you have not taken up the invitation to read the comments.
I will be brief :
you said that virtual servers are with minimal performance drop if not overloaded, well that is exactly what happens in the wolf grid, everything, as I told you, is very heavy and overloaded, and to that you have to add the management of theos cenario by the viewers considering an average PC, so nothing is optimized for that in that grid.
In addition, sui amounts of memory have to be shared for each virtual macchian which creates, given the thoughtfulness of the scenarios, a kind of funnel effect, alsothe grid is ONE on the main machine and shared on the virtual machines, these are not just basic sites or datacenters, but overflowing regions...that makes a difference.
to the rest, I answer you with the SL example but not only, the same operation applies for example to Roblox or Minecraft...
It is very comparable the concept Costs/Gains/Offers between SL and wolf's spire, since he offers according to him the best opensimulator soilution, companies offer affordable costs to make users and come back thanks to the number of users of the expenses and then generate profit with the quantity, rented servers sdono very expensive and that is why a SL region on AWS dedicated server has higher costs.
please read the other comments well.
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I clearly said that the region of Lunaria for example is the only one where there are few problems...precisely because of a question of priority, so you are writing what I have already SAID before, but you have not taken up the invitation to read the comments.
I will be brief :
you said that virtual servers are with minimal performance drop if not overloaded, well that is exactly what happens in the wolf grid, everything, as I told you, is very heavy and overloaded, and to that you have to add the management of theos cenario by the viewers considering an average PC, so nothing is optimized for that in that grid.
In addition, sui amounts of memory have to be shared for each virtual macchian which creates, given the thoughtfulness of the scenarios, a kind of funnel effect, alsothe grid is ONE on the main machine and shared on the virtual machines, these are not just basic sites or datacenters, but overflowing regions...that makes a difference.
to the rest, I answer you with the SL example but not only, the same operation applies for example to Roblox or Minecraft...
It is very comparable the concept Costs/Gains/Offers between SL and wolf's spire, since he offers according to him the best opensimulator soilution, companies offer affordable costs to make users and come back thanks to the number of users of the expenses and then generate profit with the quantity, rented servers sdono very expensive and that is why a SL region on AWS dedicated server has higher costs.
please read the other comments well.
I have read your comments well - and while I may not have addressed every one in every one of your posts - you fill your complaints with rhetoric that weakens any argument you make.
Ultimately - if you think the grid is low performance - dont go there. If you think the region prices are too high - dont buy them. I don't go into a store and start shouting that they are charging too much... I leave that store and go to another with lower prices. There really is no need to make a scene.
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Ultimately - if you think the grid is low performance - dont go there. If you think the region prices are too high - dont buy them. I don't go into a store and start shouting that they are charging too much... I leave that store and go to another with lower prices. There really is no need to make a scene.
I have to answer you here since the maximum level has been reached.
I did not attack Lone, reread well the comments both of the post and others, in fact I palmed quietly with him and expressed compliments and encouragement for his new offering in line with opensimulator in my opinion and for what are the performances offered.
it is not rhetoric, it is FACTS.
he may have the best VPS in the world, but the facts sayc that the performance is SLOW and poor.
I repeat, warnings have passed here for other grids asking for excessive money, why is Lone exempt from this?
and why has he in the past, as I learned yesterday, attacked another autustic person stating falsehood about his project?
but where do you see the rhetoric? open a VPS server then we'll talk, run 10 var 16*16 regions, then we'll talk again :)
now I say goodbye :)
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I did not attack Lone, reread well the comments both of the post and others, in fact I palmed quietly with him and expressed compliments and encouragement for his new offering in line with opensimulator in my opinion and for what are the performances offered.
it is not rhetoric, it is FACTS.
he may have the best VPS in the world, but the facts sayc that the performance is SLOW and poor.
I repeat, warnings have passed here for other grids asking for excessive money, why is Lone exempt from this?
and why has he in the past, as I learned yesterday, attacked another autustic person stating falsehood about his project?
but where do you see the rhetoric? open a VPS server then we'll talk, run 10 var 16*16 regions, then we'll talk again :)
now I say goodbye :)
this is a trivial answer, forgive me but of technical you have nothing, I have responded to your comments with absolute validity, both regarding virtual servers (I gave you the example of contabo, open us a grid you who think you are an expert and sure that vps do not have low performance, and we are talking about a company that lives on this... ) and I have not collapsed any of my statements, without rhetoric, which instead you now use becoming, forgive me for repeating it, trivial in the comment, since you are not enriching the technical discussion you are just saying don't say anything and that's it. and I repeat to you as I said to others, it is obvious that I am not going to go into the wolf grid, but it is only fair that people know that they spend money for nothing, because he did the same from what I understand with other users, and then because here is thing that has already happened to help users understand how not to throw money for example in avitron!
so where do you see the rhetoric?
maybe i should call you "professor"... :)
professor, I won't answer you further, I'm sorry I told you what I think and what are the technical facts (just reread the comments...) :)
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so where do you see the rhetoric?
maybe i should call you "professor"... :)
professor, I won't answer you further, I'm sorry I told you what I think and what are the technical facts (just reread the comments...) :)
as far as virtual servers are concerned, try putting in contabo's VPS MAX servers (the maximum offer seems to me to be $40/month) a grid with 20 full regions... then we'll talk.
and anyway in facts, lone wolf's grid doesn't work because of the costs required, you can say what you want, but it has excessive costs.
;)
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and anyway in facts, lone wolf's grid doesn't work because of the costs required, you can say what you want, but it has excessive costs.
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I'm not arguing about costs. His prices are what they are. Either take them or not. I think the expression is "vote with your feet".
However - you need to look more at their Bare Metal prices as those are more relevant and he has several bare metal servers.
My comments here are more about your rhetoric - and yes - you do keep spouting it. You dress up guesswork and present them as facts. I do not think this needs to be an attack on Lone just because you dont like his prices.
Your whole argument may have weight - at least more weight if it didnt just come across as sour grapes.
And just replying to your other sub-thread that I cant as it's max level now - you can call me whatever you like - I really don't care. I gave a reasoned and polite response to you - if you want to act like a child about it then please - be my guest.
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However - you need to look more at their Bare Metal prices as those are more relevant and he has several bare metal servers.
My comments here are more about your rhetoric - and yes - you do keep spouting it. You dress up guesswork and present them as facts. I do not think this needs to be an attack on Lone just because you dont like his prices.
Your whole argument may have weight - at least more weight if it didnt just come across as sour grapes.
And just replying to your other sub-thread that I cant as it's max level now - you can call me whatever you like - I really don't care. I gave a reasoned and polite response to you - if you want to act like a child about it then please - be my guest.
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Don't forget that tomorrow is also a significant day - although somewhat darker "Revenge of the 5th"!
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Yup, she was a "horrible person"...... She made freebie content available when there was virtually none. The existence of her freebie malls were contributory to those that actually STAYED in OpenSim at that time - without her content there was very little else available to keep people here.
Sure, a lot of it shows its age - but thats because it IS old! TImes have moved on - but at the time what she created was decent (at worst) items people could and did use when there was very little else.
She did all this for free, and spent a lot of time creating content for the community, only to become vilified for some reasons I cannot comprehend.
So yes..... what a horrible person............
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Sure, a lot of it shows its age - but thats because it IS old! TImes have moved on - but at the time what she created was decent (at worst) items people could and did use when there was very little else.
She did all this for free, and spent a lot of time creating content for the community, only to become vilified for some reasons I cannot comprehend.
So yes..... what a horrible person............
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Kinda...... NPC bots are not counted (unless using a hacked beacon that adds them back in). It's also "ok" to use non npc bots (text viewers logged in on accounts etc but are AFK just sitting on something or "whatever") so long as they are added to the exclude list in the beacon. "Bots" are an integral part of a lot of great regions (Xishi's amazing Rutitania for example). They can make a place really "live" if done well.
What we are talking about here is bots that artificially raise the rating of a region. Personally I think its a sucky thing to do if done on purpose - but I think if it gets to the point of saying "Your residents are not allowed to AFK on their land and have to log off if they are not currently doing anything" then it's gone too far.
While I think it is sucky to do - I personally find the witchhunt rather boring and shows the worst side of the OpenSim community. Again though..... thats just my opinion. Agree or not.... that's up to you all :)
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What we are talking about here is bots that artificially raise the rating of a region. Personally I think its a sucky thing to do if done on purpose - but I think if it gets to the point of saying "Your residents are not allowed to AFK on their land and have to log off if they are not currently doing anything" then it's gone too far.
While I think it is sucky to do - I personally find the witchhunt rather boring and shows the worst side of the OpenSim community. Again though..... thats just my opinion. Agree or not.... that's up to you all :)
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I probably look at the numbers differently to others. A bit of an introvert unless I am in the mood to socialise - I often search out those places where there are NO people currently. With the brain fog that comes with ME and Fibromyalgia I find it very difficult to "go shopping" and hold a conversation as well. Most things that many people do so quickly - takes me a while to just get my head around. I dont mean - things are too complicated for me to understand..... no, just my mind often works slowly and I find I do just "normal tasks" slower than others. This can sometimes make me feel very self concious so I often prefer to explore where there are no people. That's not to say I never visit to socialise (just not that often), but when I do - I do it when I am not trying to do something else too.
So for me... high numbers are like warning beacons to stay away. One of the things I dislike about OSGrid is that when a region I was last on goes down I end up at LBSA and there are always people there - and I teleport away as fast as I can!
But..... that's just me - I suspect I am just "different" lol.
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So for me... high numbers are like warning beacons to stay away. One of the things I dislike about OSGrid is that when a region I was last on goes down I end up at LBSA and there are always people there - and I teleport away as fast as I can!
But..... that's just me - I suspect I am just "different" lol.
Sorry to hear of your health conditions. Most of us, have some kind of disability or other. We do what makes us enjoy VW, and what it has to offer. I don't like big crowds in real, but here is different. I like to socialize, and support others grids, by participating. I would like everyone to get along, and respect others fun. Take care Glenys.
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TBH, If it was me and Pagane came to "talk to me to see if I was alive" I would ignore her anyway so would probably seem like a bot to her. (actually thats not true.... I would eject her lol).
On my place I dont try and inflate any numbers - but ultimately I don't care about them either. I often am on my main region all day and am sometimes AFK. I log in and do some work on the place - and then do my "paid work" - but come back during breaks to work on my region.
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On my place I dont try and inflate any numbers - but ultimately I don't care about them either. I often am on my main region all day and am sometimes AFK. I log in and do some work on the place - and then do my "paid work" - but come back during breaks to work on my region.
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I'm not having problems with any other parts of profiles (that I am bothered about anyway). Profile pic and text work fine - its just My Picks that is an issue for me - but seems a fix is on the way so thats good :)
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Right so. And it was so good you posted that here about that problem, so people could work on it. I seldom look into my own profile :-) Your post was a great help for all. BTW: I downgraded to FS 6.5.6 now, because latest 6.6. seems to be a hard thing for my graphic card, even at a gamer. The fan spins like hell. Plus.. my grid admin altered the profile module in grid common.ini. Now I can use my profile (incl. the picks) as it was before.
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