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Invisiprims are coming back to Firestorm
See the water surface inside the boat? No? That's because it's invisiprim'd.
In case you haven't read it yet...
https://www.firestormviewer.org/pre-release-trailer-part-1...
...Firestorm is re-introducing invisiprims that make the water surface disappear.
This doesn't mean that the old invisiprim script will work again. It means that you won't even need a script anymore. You can flag a prim as an invisiprim in Firestorm itself.
This feature is already available in the current beta version:
https://www.firestormviewer.org/early-access-beta-download...
In case you haven't read it yet...
https://www.firestormviewer.org/pre-release-trailer-part-1...
...Firestorm is re-introducing invisiprims that make the water surface disappear.
This doesn't mean that the old invisiprim script will work again. It means that you won't even need a script anymore. You can flag a prim as an invisiprim in Firestorm itself.
This feature is already available in the current beta version:
https://www.firestormviewer.org/early-access-beta-download...
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oh nice! I made a canal narrow boat a while back, but gave up on the interior as the water was flooding the inside of it.
The old "invisi" prims only worked if you turned the graphics down to the low setting. As I run on ultra on the non PBR viewer, taking such a reduction on graphics just to hide the water was a big no.
It's a shame my PC hates the PBR viewer. In order to get similar FPS in the PBR viewer the graphics have to be murdered to such a point that the old non PBR viewer actually looks better graphically.
It is kind of ironic that the PBR viewer came about when 99% of objects I come across in open sim don't even use the blinn phong materials effectively.
I'm not 100% sure the current open sim release 0.9.3.0 even has PBR support yet?
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The old "invisi" prims only worked if you turned the graphics down to the low setting. As I run on ultra on the non PBR viewer, taking such a reduction on graphics just to hide the water was a big no.
It's a shame my PC hates the PBR viewer. In order to get similar FPS in the PBR viewer the graphics have to be murdered to such a point that the old non PBR viewer actually looks better graphically.
It is kind of ironic that the PBR viewer came about when 99% of objects I come across in open sim don't even use the blinn phong materials effectively.
I'm not 100% sure the current open sim release 0.9.3.0 even has PBR support yet?
0.9.3.0 does have PBR support. OSgrid has extensively showcased it when 0.9.3.0 was still in development.
One issue that many users especially in OpenSim have with Firestorm 7 is that the Advanced Lighting Model is always on. You can't turn it off and fall back to the old forward lighting, just like everyone with on-board graphics has always done.
That has little to do with PBR, though. Rather, it was Linden Lab who decided to cut forward rendering from the official SL viewer and make the ALM permanent.
The reason for this was because SL content makers were trying hard to make their content look good on outright "toasters" with ALM and Blinn-Phong off. And they did so by actually modelling small details like seams, rivet heads and the like into the mesh, sometimes even rough surfaces, and making the mesh unnecessarily complex. In the long run, this hurt everyone's performance. And Linden Lab decided they had to stop it and give content creators an incentive to finally use normal maps (and specular maps that'd replace "glossy" highlights baked onto surfaces). They did so by taking forward rendering away from both them and their customers, and by permanently turning ALM and normal/specular maps on for everyone. Firestorm had to follow suit.
That is, the Lindens eventually paddled back and decided to support the last non-PBR releases of their own viewer and Firestorm indefinitely. And that was after they've learned that they'd lose tons of paying customers if they excluded all those who can't afford anything better than an old potato laptop with on-board graphics that technically isn't fit for 3-D applications anyway (statistics have revealed that a not insignificant number of SL users is on well-over-10-year-old hardware).
On the other hand, those for whom the graphics hardware is not the bottleneck actually profit from Firestorm 7. They actually get better performance. That's because Firestorm up to version 6 can only use one CPU core. It uses technology from before multi-core CPUs. Firestorm 7 is multi-threaded, and it can make use of all CPU cores.
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One issue that many users especially in OpenSim have with Firestorm 7 is that the Advanced Lighting Model is always on. You can't turn it off and fall back to the old forward lighting, just like everyone with on-board graphics has always done.
That has little to do with PBR, though. Rather, it was Linden Lab who decided to cut forward rendering from the official SL viewer and make the ALM permanent.
The reason for this was because SL content makers were trying hard to make their content look good on outright "toasters" with ALM and Blinn-Phong off. And they did so by actually modelling small details like seams, rivet heads and the like into the mesh, sometimes even rough surfaces, and making the mesh unnecessarily complex. In the long run, this hurt everyone's performance. And Linden Lab decided they had to stop it and give content creators an incentive to finally use normal maps (and specular maps that'd replace "glossy" highlights baked onto surfaces). They did so by taking forward rendering away from both them and their customers, and by permanently turning ALM and normal/specular maps on for everyone. Firestorm had to follow suit.
That is, the Lindens eventually paddled back and decided to support the last non-PBR releases of their own viewer and Firestorm indefinitely. And that was after they've learned that they'd lose tons of paying customers if they excluded all those who can't afford anything better than an old potato laptop with on-board graphics that technically isn't fit for 3-D applications anyway (statistics have revealed that a not insignificant number of SL users is on well-over-10-year-old hardware).
On the other hand, those for whom the graphics hardware is not the bottleneck actually profit from Firestorm 7. They actually get better performance. That's because Firestorm up to version 6 can only use one CPU core. It uses technology from before multi-core CPUs. Firestorm 7 is multi-threaded, and it can make use of all CPU cores.
I have the advanced lighting model and shadows enabled in the non PBR viewer and my FPS is double that of the PBR viewer with no shadows.
On the PBR viewer having shadows on is pretty laggy and the way shadows are rendered on water looks terrible with a sort cycling moire pattern even when the camera is stationary.
Every time I test the PBR viewer I am never happy with the way everything looks. Trying all the settings to get a smooth FPS and great looks never seems to happen.
I normally limit my FPS to 60 in the non PBR viewer and I run on ultra settings. Everything looks great and runs smooth. With the PBR viewer I am on Mid settings and everything looks worse and the FPS is a stuttery mess. Its like the frames are not being rendered at a consistent interval. Its the worst 30 FPS I have seen. it feels like 10 FPS even though its reported in the mid 30's.
Clearly my PC hates the PBR viewer lol
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The invsi prim option will be great, I need that for my Narrowboat project. A lot of the interior is below the waterline. I ended up making the boat sit unnaturally high in the water to try compensating, but it looks stupid. This will fix that for those that can render it in the PBR viewer. Maybe one day I will be able to run the PBR viewer without it annoying me.
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On the PBR viewer having shadows on is pretty laggy and the way shadows are rendered on water looks terrible with a sort cycling moire pattern even when the camera is stationary.
Every time I test the PBR viewer I am never happy with the way everything looks. Trying all the settings to get a smooth FPS and great looks never seems to happen.
I normally limit my FPS to 60 in the non PBR viewer and I run on ultra settings. Everything looks great and runs smooth. With the PBR viewer I am on Mid settings and everything looks worse and the FPS is a stuttery mess. Its like the frames are not being rendered at a consistent interval. Its the worst 30 FPS I have seen. it feels like 10 FPS even though its reported in the mid 30's.
Clearly my PC hates the PBR viewer lol
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The invsi prim option will be great, I need that for my Narrowboat project. A lot of the interior is below the waterline. I ended up making the boat sit unnaturally high in the water to try compensating, but it looks stupid. This will fix that for those that can render it in the PBR viewer. Maybe one day I will be able to run the PBR viewer without it annoying me.
Good advice maybe: Leave screen space reflections off, especially if there's water in sight. They got better since 7.1.9, but they still aren't quite there.
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