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I don't care how others see myself after this but folks need a bucket of truth. I'm a fur, we stopped caring what others thought about us after the media started taking pot-shots at our community, so let's begin.
1. Open Simulator uses code from Linden Labs' software. This fact alone makes OpenSim a copybot of itself. How? By continual development using core OpenSim. It would require a major rewrite to fix this.
2. 90% of active Opensim users are using botted items anyway. It's the only way to get content away from Second Life for places like OpenSim to thrive.
3. Grids have the right to block whomever they want to. Whining about it doesn't magically reverse it.
4. There are clauses in OpenSim to deter would-be copyrighters. Don't want to deal with it? Shut down your grid, and go away or don't complain. You knew this was a possibility when becoming a grid owner.
5. True major violators are delt with. Kitely has a giant issue with this still.
6. Visitors need to know that not ever location on OSW is ran on some corporate super computer 24hrs a day. Most are on personal computers being ran on sub-par internet. Just like #3, whining about it doesn't magically fix it.
7. The only true OpenSim grid that will remain when the others have left will be OsGrid. Is it a ghost town 90% of the time? Yeah it is but when the OsGrid fundraiser comes around, it's always filled.
8. OpenSimWorld and SatyrFarm are projects from one person done in spare time. Whining about it doesn't make him appear from thin air and fix whatever issue you're having.
9. The Swiss stating what their laws on copyright is makes them transparent, not troublesome. Only an idiot sees it that way. The Swiss was also home to The Pirate Bay - US Copyright laws do not and will not exist there, nor are they enforced. Even Trump won't mess with the Swiss.
10. Any grid owner who uses the God mode function to force object ownership to themselves is using their executive powers that have been a staple of OpenSim/Second Live since 2005. Second Life viewer 1.0 had this function for admins to do this very thing if residents became unruly.
11. Visitors need to realize that servers and internet aren't for free - grids and standalone regions need that to cover their cost or we find ourselves whining about why such and such place or grid isn't around anymore. It's because of whiny children who feel entitled to everything, even if their in their 40s. This very argument is why minimum wage and cost of living in the US went up.
12. Giving something away that costs people money isn't a violation no matter how you look at it or there'd be more people in jail(starting with the new head of the FCC/AT&T kiss ass).
There, now that I've thoroughly covered everything and offended everyone it had to be said. Those that wonder why OpenSim hasn't evolved only need to look in the mirror. We are the ones slowly killing OpenSim from the inside out. We are the ones pushing newcomers away with our he said/she said bullshit and of our screams of what's deemed right and wrong. Second Life is still here. Why? Because they control stuff like this from getting out of hand(and we passed that threshold yesterday) and don't act like children while doing it. Why is OsGrid still here while other major grids failed? Same reason. InWorldz went under because of how its residents acted, not Beth, not Tranquility.
To be honest I don't care if I've offended anyone with the truth. It sucks - get over it. Boredom is not a valid excuse for stupidity(I'm going to use that as a tag line now I think). We should be thinking about what the next big thing should be for OpenSim, then embrace it. No police it to death where no one wants it. If these aren't your ideals then just shut your computer off, disconnect your internet, and go play outside.
1. Open Simulator uses code from Linden Labs' software. This fact alone makes OpenSim a copybot of itself. How? By continual development using core OpenSim. It would require a major rewrite to fix this.
2. 90% of active Opensim users are using botted items anyway. It's the only way to get content away from Second Life for places like OpenSim to thrive.
3. Grids have the right to block whomever they want to. Whining about it doesn't magically reverse it.
4. There are clauses in OpenSim to deter would-be copyrighters. Don't want to deal with it? Shut down your grid, and go away or don't complain. You knew this was a possibility when becoming a grid owner.
5. True major violators are delt with. Kitely has a giant issue with this still.
6. Visitors need to know that not ever location on OSW is ran on some corporate super computer 24hrs a day. Most are on personal computers being ran on sub-par internet. Just like #3, whining about it doesn't magically fix it.
7. The only true OpenSim grid that will remain when the others have left will be OsGrid. Is it a ghost town 90% of the time? Yeah it is but when the OsGrid fundraiser comes around, it's always filled.
8. OpenSimWorld and SatyrFarm are projects from one person done in spare time. Whining about it doesn't make him appear from thin air and fix whatever issue you're having.
9. The Swiss stating what their laws on copyright is makes them transparent, not troublesome. Only an idiot sees it that way. The Swiss was also home to The Pirate Bay - US Copyright laws do not and will not exist there, nor are they enforced. Even Trump won't mess with the Swiss.
10. Any grid owner who uses the God mode function to force object ownership to themselves is using their executive powers that have been a staple of OpenSim/Second Live since 2005. Second Life viewer 1.0 had this function for admins to do this very thing if residents became unruly.
11. Visitors need to realize that servers and internet aren't for free - grids and standalone regions need that to cover their cost or we find ourselves whining about why such and such place or grid isn't around anymore. It's because of whiny children who feel entitled to everything, even if their in their 40s. This very argument is why minimum wage and cost of living in the US went up.
12. Giving something away that costs people money isn't a violation no matter how you look at it or there'd be more people in jail(starting with the new head of the FCC/AT&T kiss ass).
There, now that I've thoroughly covered everything and offended everyone it had to be said. Those that wonder why OpenSim hasn't evolved only need to look in the mirror. We are the ones slowly killing OpenSim from the inside out. We are the ones pushing newcomers away with our he said/she said bullshit and of our screams of what's deemed right and wrong. Second Life is still here. Why? Because they control stuff like this from getting out of hand(and we passed that threshold yesterday) and don't act like children while doing it. Why is OsGrid still here while other major grids failed? Same reason. InWorldz went under because of how its residents acted, not Beth, not Tranquility.
To be honest I don't care if I've offended anyone with the truth. It sucks - get over it. Boredom is not a valid excuse for stupidity(I'm going to use that as a tag line now I think). We should be thinking about what the next big thing should be for OpenSim, then embrace it. No police it to death where no one wants it. If these aren't your ideals then just shut your computer off, disconnect your internet, and go play outside.
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> How? By continual development using core OpenSim
Whatever code opensim uses from third parties is open source. Opensim itself is BSD licensed. The license of opensim is clear, there are no dependencies on LL
Now, copybotting is an issue of course. Opensim would be boring without those items, but some grids go way too far in very un-creative ways. They are turning opensim from a platform for building to a platform for buying free stuff. They enable people to fill their inventories with terrabytes of assets that they won't even use. At best, these grids will turn to clones of SL without the soul, without people coming back. I also don't like the fragmentation of opensim, I think it 's nice to have a handful of big grids to choose from, but having a gazillion grids with 1 visitor in each means that the game will never be fun. This situation has stalled the development of opensim for years, because of people working in different forks of opensim.
I don't know if opensim has a future - it is a very small niche by any measure. However, now that large VR hopeful projects have flopped, i am hoping that people may come back to worlds like opensim, where you can actually build things without a bulky vomit-inducing helmet.
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Whatever code opensim uses from third parties is open source. Opensim itself is BSD licensed. The license of opensim is clear, there are no dependencies on LL
Now, copybotting is an issue of course. Opensim would be boring without those items, but some grids go way too far in very un-creative ways. They are turning opensim from a platform for building to a platform for buying free stuff. They enable people to fill their inventories with terrabytes of assets that they won't even use. At best, these grids will turn to clones of SL without the soul, without people coming back. I also don't like the fragmentation of opensim, I think it 's nice to have a handful of big grids to choose from, but having a gazillion grids with 1 visitor in each means that the game will never be fun. This situation has stalled the development of opensim for years, because of people working in different forks of opensim.
I don't know if opensim has a future - it is a very small niche by any measure. However, now that large VR hopeful projects have flopped, i am hoping that people may come back to worlds like opensim, where you can actually build things without a bulky vomit-inducing helmet.
Wasn't expecting a reply from the man himself but that's ok, at least you know where my mind was at. The rant was designed to get people to walk up and see the drama being spread around on the front page for what it was. Best way is a healthy bucket of truth. It's direct and does not discriminate, and I won't apologize for it. Since we've shifted the topic a bit, I'd have to agree. I'd rather have folks on either OSG or GCG. Both are very here for the community but have different approaches to it. People get upset with whatever it is their doing and think they can run their own grid, only to whine later when they can't. Personally I'd put server operatorship behind a form if their going to strike out on their own, would nip it in the bud.
In regards to the other thing, true or not, I wouldn't want hypergriders coming onto my site and spread drama everywhere for shock value. Any new person that comes to the site and sees that will turn around and go back where they came from. They want to dump their drama, it goes here - it's what the section was designed for. It takes a new kind of special to purposely avoid this section to air whatever drama people feel is right for shock value. You'd think if there was any truth to it, there'd be evidence of it. I haven't seen any. Talking about the inventory flooding, not the copyboting. Everyone copybots. It's why the major players won't leave SL - it's still a security risk. I still retain my thoughts that any grid owner that uses admin tools for personal gain is stupid and should hang up their grid. Anyone that uses admin tools to benefit their community should be praised. The difference is the intent. The same goes for copyboting: if you bot for personal gain you deserve to have your pc stricken from OpenSim. Again, all in the intent.
And yes, there are still dependencies in Opensim code. A major one is called LSL. Devs started to get this right with OpenSim specific calls but haven't developed any further ones. Another is mesh, winch still hasn't been perfected. It's not as broken as SL's mesh, but it is still based on and uses code from it(it's why whenever SL updates something in the mesh, OpenSim is the last to get anything out of it). The environment as a whole is a major one. Anyone that comes to OpenSim and says 'this is a SL clone' is proving the point. The bigger point is going back to what I was saying earlier about changing OpenSim: we see the same environment but don't want to change it because it's what we know and trust. Doesn't mean pointing out what it is, is any less.
That said, my points and directness are here to dispel drama with truth. Don't get me wrong, I'm very much for a open virtual environment that gets people involved to bring out their creative sides. Drama's dangerous. Drama turns a happy person into a lunatic. I stick by my points.
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In regards to the other thing, true or not, I wouldn't want hypergriders coming onto my site and spread drama everywhere for shock value. Any new person that comes to the site and sees that will turn around and go back where they came from. They want to dump their drama, it goes here - it's what the section was designed for. It takes a new kind of special to purposely avoid this section to air whatever drama people feel is right for shock value. You'd think if there was any truth to it, there'd be evidence of it. I haven't seen any. Talking about the inventory flooding, not the copyboting. Everyone copybots. It's why the major players won't leave SL - it's still a security risk. I still retain my thoughts that any grid owner that uses admin tools for personal gain is stupid and should hang up their grid. Anyone that uses admin tools to benefit their community should be praised. The difference is the intent. The same goes for copyboting: if you bot for personal gain you deserve to have your pc stricken from OpenSim. Again, all in the intent.
And yes, there are still dependencies in Opensim code. A major one is called LSL. Devs started to get this right with OpenSim specific calls but haven't developed any further ones. Another is mesh, winch still hasn't been perfected. It's not as broken as SL's mesh, but it is still based on and uses code from it(it's why whenever SL updates something in the mesh, OpenSim is the last to get anything out of it). The environment as a whole is a major one. Anyone that comes to OpenSim and says 'this is a SL clone' is proving the point. The bigger point is going back to what I was saying earlier about changing OpenSim: we see the same environment but don't want to change it because it's what we know and trust. Doesn't mean pointing out what it is, is any less.
That said, my points and directness are here to dispel drama with truth. Don't get me wrong, I'm very much for a open virtual environment that gets people involved to bring out their creative sides. Drama's dangerous. Drama turns a happy person into a lunatic. I stick by my points.
I think calling opensim a copybot is wrong. Opensim does not violate anything, while copybotting is a violation by definition.
I agree with the rest - everyone seems to be creating their own grid now , esp. using the outworldz installer that makes it very easy. But this means that there is a huge amount of duplication of assets nowadays, and copying all those assets through hypergrid creates a lot more traffic and lag in busy regions. i m considering banning outworldz domains from my personal regions
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I agree with the rest - everyone seems to be creating their own grid now , esp. using the outworldz installer that makes it very easy. But this means that there is a huge amount of duplication of assets nowadays, and copying all those assets through hypergrid creates a lot more traffic and lag in busy regions. i m considering banning outworldz domains from my personal regions
I'm sure if it gets too bad Dan'll ban it from OsGrid also(if he hasn't already). That's the mature way of handling it.
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