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I have seen a post or two lately on a topic that I feel i need to write about. There is a lot of Misinformation going around online and in world. I have been contemplating writing this for a few months until i saw a post that drew the line.
I mean no disrespect by my post, its only to educate others. please be respectful when commenting. Also my post is not to enforce a certain lifestyle or kink onto anyone. Its solely for education purposes only.
The majority online and in world seems to think that either a child avatar or a child avatar having sex with an adult is Ageplay. This is not Ageplay!
Ageplay is where an adult portrays a younger age and wears clothes that makes them partially look the part but yet still have the appearance of an adult. Also Ageplay can be between 2 consenting adults, one looking like a full adult and the other wearing childish clothes but still has appearance of an adult.
If you see a child avatar and an adult having sex, that is not in no way anything to do with Ageplay nor is it sexual Ageplay! that is pedo crap which is not tolerated in my grid! Please stop associating it with Ageplay.
if you see a child avatar looking like a real life child, that is also not Ageplay! please dont listen to the wrong information child avatar have passed to everyone online in world.
I have been in the community and an ABDL mom for 11 years and it really frustrates me that people believe a child avatar is Ageplay. please stop listening to them. they are not an Ageplayer by no means.
Please do your research before assuming and thinking what you were told is correct information. I know there are soem child avatars going around saying so what I do Ageplay. that is not Ageplay.
below is a link to a wiki article for those that want to learn more and get a little educated abotu what Ageplay actually is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageplay
I mean no disrespect by my post, its only to educate others. please be respectful when commenting. Also my post is not to enforce a certain lifestyle or kink onto anyone. Its solely for education purposes only.
The majority online and in world seems to think that either a child avatar or a child avatar having sex with an adult is Ageplay. This is not Ageplay!
Ageplay is where an adult portrays a younger age and wears clothes that makes them partially look the part but yet still have the appearance of an adult. Also Ageplay can be between 2 consenting adults, one looking like a full adult and the other wearing childish clothes but still has appearance of an adult.
If you see a child avatar and an adult having sex, that is not in no way anything to do with Ageplay nor is it sexual Ageplay! that is pedo crap which is not tolerated in my grid! Please stop associating it with Ageplay.
if you see a child avatar looking like a real life child, that is also not Ageplay! please dont listen to the wrong information child avatar have passed to everyone online in world.
I have been in the community and an ABDL mom for 11 years and it really frustrates me that people believe a child avatar is Ageplay. please stop listening to them. they are not an Ageplayer by no means.
Please do your research before assuming and thinking what you were told is correct information. I know there are soem child avatars going around saying so what I do Ageplay. that is not Ageplay.
below is a link to a wiki article for those that want to learn more and get a little educated abotu what Ageplay actually is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageplay
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Google the "sexual ageplay." Among other sources of information, you will find peer-reveiwed research published in the journal of the American Psychological Association. The kink site Fetlife says "age play can include sexual elements, or it can be completely non-sexual"
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its not a 100 percent sexual, but lets say it was, that means between two people who are adult's and look like adults. not child avatars.
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FetLife has many group of age players of all kinds, but, yes, they are all adults. However, the kid role players dress and act the part, and in a setting like a child's bedroom. Even so, none of that is illegal. That has never been the issue. But as you see, sexual ageplay is a real term about a real activity -- in-world and out.
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In the real life community we never once have used that word, in Ageplay the ABDL may have sexual tendency's but it doesn't mean Ageplay is sexual. Ageplay is with two adult people who look like adults with childish clothes on, it is not with one adult looking person and one full on child looking person. Sexual or not the term was used incorrectly.
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You say:
• The term sexual ageplay doesn't exist. Now you say it exists, but is used incorrectly.
• Ageplay is not 100 percent sexual. Which means some percent of it is.
• Ageplay is "between two people who are adult's and look like adults" but now you say, "Ageplay is with two adult people who look like adults with childish clothes on." But someone with childish clothes on does not look like an adult. Someone with a diaper, a binky, stuffed animals, coloring books, and the like, does not look like an adult. Someone dressed like a teen or tween does not look like an adult. Not looking like an adult is an important part of ageplay.
• "In the real life community, we never once have used that word."
However, Fetlife, (established in 2008, and in less than ten years, had a real-life community of six million users) has:
• A "kinktionary" listing "ageplay." It explains that "age play can include sexual elements, or it can be completely non-sexual."
• A list of fetishes, including sexual ageplay. 1,897 kinksters say they are into or curious about it.
• 2,000 ageplay groups.
• One group is named "100% NON-sexual ageplay." Why? Because some of the other 1,999 ageplay groups. in Fetlife include sexual ageplayers. To list but two examples, Fetlife has:
• A group explicitly named "naughty / sexual ageplay."
• A group named "Dark Ageplay," which the group owner says is about, among other activities, sexual ageplay.
The term sexual ageplay most certainly exists, in-world and out-of-world. Is it being used incorrectly in discussions on this site? Well, just about everything else you have said so far has been corrected by the facts. What else are you wrong about? I suggest that there are more important things to discuss than the meaning, existence, and use of the term "sexual ageplay".
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• The term sexual ageplay doesn't exist. Now you say it exists, but is used incorrectly.
• Ageplay is not 100 percent sexual. Which means some percent of it is.
• Ageplay is "between two people who are adult's and look like adults" but now you say, "Ageplay is with two adult people who look like adults with childish clothes on." But someone with childish clothes on does not look like an adult. Someone with a diaper, a binky, stuffed animals, coloring books, and the like, does not look like an adult. Someone dressed like a teen or tween does not look like an adult. Not looking like an adult is an important part of ageplay.
• "In the real life community, we never once have used that word."
However, Fetlife, (established in 2008, and in less than ten years, had a real-life community of six million users) has:
• A "kinktionary" listing "ageplay." It explains that "age play can include sexual elements, or it can be completely non-sexual."
• A list of fetishes, including sexual ageplay. 1,897 kinksters say they are into or curious about it.
• 2,000 ageplay groups.
• One group is named "100% NON-sexual ageplay." Why? Because some of the other 1,999 ageplay groups. in Fetlife include sexual ageplayers. To list but two examples, Fetlife has:
• A group explicitly named "naughty / sexual ageplay."
• A group named "Dark Ageplay," which the group owner says is about, among other activities, sexual ageplay.
The term sexual ageplay most certainly exists, in-world and out-of-world. Is it being used incorrectly in discussions on this site? Well, just about everything else you have said so far has been corrected by the facts. What else are you wrong about? I suggest that there are more important things to discuss than the meaning, existence, and use of the term "sexual ageplay".
this will most likely be my last response, in talking today with an expert she agreed on the misused term of sexual Ageplay as well as Ageplay is not sexual. Yes there is dark ageplay which is the correct term versus sexual Ageplay. but in virtual sex bewtween a child and adult is not sexual Ageplay same as in real life.
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The focus should not be on Child avatars anyway but rather those who find then sexually attractive. Having had some younger looks in past (Teen, Tween) there been times I was approached by adults asking if I could make myself look younger to play. Those were the ones that made me cringe. A community that tries to ban anything looking like a child strikes me as one that is like an ex alcoholic trying to hide all the booze from sight in case they get triggered to drink.
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In 2007, a visitor to an all-ages sim found that it was adult males who tried to find age-play partners - and largely had no luck. The kids who were there weren't there for sex dates. They were there to mingle with other kids and have some fun. The conclusion? Instead of banning kids, ban pervy adults trying to prey on them.
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if there an actually child avi i can understand not allowing them in the region, but not all young looking avatars are child avatars.
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As someone mention before I would like to know what does a ''Child Avatar'' look like because clearly a lot of Grids in OS do not know ''Fully'' on what actual children look like in some cases as someone mention. They see someone who is under 7 ft with a petite body which automatically makes you a Child Avatar? I bet Most Adult Korean Women are considered Children to you all? I guess all of us who are Female Adults must have Large Over-size Breasts, 7ft and Big Butts? I guess most women in real are like that!!! Maybe all Grids should have a poster in their Welcome Area then and put 7 ft and Over Avatars with Big Bazooka size Breasts (Give the Local Female Avatar Users and Visitors a Minimum Cup-size while you're at it), Big Butts, Extremely Tanned Skin to the point of looking like a Burnt Up Rice Krispy! and Couple Botox in the face looking like you just had a fight with a Vacuum Cleaner! I guess that what makes one become instantly an Adult Avi! Clearly, if you wear Blush or any form of Makeup, having a Petite Figure or have an overall cute or youthful face you instantly a Child, No! matter how tall you are! I guess we all skip different age groups. Either you're a Child Avi or your late 30's to 40's avatar. There is Nooooo in between! Since you all against ''Age Play''! How about you all put in your grids some Specific Guidelines on what you consider a ''CHILD AVATAR!!'' (Be Specific! Don't say 18 months to 18 years old! because you clearly see an avatar that looks older than 18 years old but once they wear either a cute outfit mostly pink, Lilac or something Overly Girly, has pale skin, Freckles or any form of blush on their face! Even when they are over 6ft they are still considered a Child! So, tell us!! What actually is a CHILD avi because is clearly more than just HEIGHT and Chest-Size! (Because it seems clothes also play a BIG FACTOR to it!). I would love to know what Grid/Region Owners or just anyone overall would tell us what is considered as an ''Adult Avatar''?!?! Let the Community be aware of what is Considered or approved of as an adult Avatar!
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Lemme sum this up for your convenience.
Female avatar under 7 feet = maybe kid.
Female avatar under 6 feet = definitely kid.
Male avatar under 7 feet = kid.
Petite female avatar = kid.
Female avatar less shapely than an unmodified, out-of-the-box Athena shape = kid.
No fish lips on a female avatar = kid.
No long locks flowing down your shoulders if your avatar is female = kid.
Neither long rocker hair nor an undercut if your avatar is male = kid.
Blond, but neither Barbie nor Pamela Anderson nor Rutger Hauer = kid.
Skin tone lighter than the average Tamilnadu citizen = kid.
Male avatar with neither beard nor perma-stubble = kid.
Nude male avatar whose erect dick is smaller than his lower arm = kid.
Freckles = kid.
Wearing pink, and it isn't Biatchi-branded = kid.
Wearing purple, and it isn't gothic = kid.
Wearing bright colours in general = kid.
Female avatar wearing flat shoes = kid.
Tune in next time when I tell you how not to look like a geezer.
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Female avatar under 7 feet = maybe kid.
Female avatar under 6 feet = definitely kid.
Male avatar under 7 feet = kid.
Petite female avatar = kid.
Female avatar less shapely than an unmodified, out-of-the-box Athena shape = kid.
No fish lips on a female avatar = kid.
No long locks flowing down your shoulders if your avatar is female = kid.
Neither long rocker hair nor an undercut if your avatar is male = kid.
Blond, but neither Barbie nor Pamela Anderson nor Rutger Hauer = kid.
Skin tone lighter than the average Tamilnadu citizen = kid.
Male avatar with neither beard nor perma-stubble = kid.
Nude male avatar whose erect dick is smaller than his lower arm = kid.
Freckles = kid.
Wearing pink, and it isn't Biatchi-branded = kid.
Wearing purple, and it isn't gothic = kid.
Wearing bright colours in general = kid.
Female avatar wearing flat shoes = kid.
Tune in next time when I tell you how not to look like a geezer.
OK, but seriously now. It would take approximately 34,129 avatars, with the height of 7 ft., stacked end to end, to reach the moon. It would take many more avatars, with the overall average adult human height of 5 ft. 5 in., stacked end to end, to do the same. To make it easier for a stack of avatars to reach the moon, we need to mandate that the height of OS avatars be increased to 11 ft. The future of the faux-human race in OS depends on it. If we allow child-sized avatars in OS, we are doomed. Doomed, I tell you!
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to make my answer short the biggest thing is a child avi will have no breast at all. there are regions that have child avi skins and bodies etc so that helps determine the factor too.
I will however say that some of the new adult bodies may look like its questionable even tho its not. honestly you really just have to ask and hope someone doesn't get offended for asking.
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I will however say that some of the new adult bodies may look like its questionable even tho its not. honestly you really just have to ask and hope someone doesn't get offended for asking.
every REAL woman know that half of womans up to 20-25 years is FLAT without boobs! Silicone boobs is not for niclear power or starships!
About size - on my 63 year i'm 1,54m high, my 9 year daugnter is 1,65m, and is not absolute flat. Hmmm who of us two is adult?
Who is adult or who is kid? Look one of Bulgarian Rhythmic gymnastics... https://www.instagram.com/stilito05/?hl=bg
YES!!! She is Adult!
Remember womans outside of anglosaxon world is not cow size!
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About size - on my 63 year i'm 1,54m high, my 9 year daugnter is 1,65m, and is not absolute flat. Hmmm who of us two is adult?
Who is adult or who is kid? Look one of Bulgarian Rhythmic gymnastics... https://www.instagram.com/stilito05/?hl=bg
YES!!! She is Adult!
Remember womans outside of anglosaxon world is not cow size!
I can't believe this topic has not just withered away, this community has beaten it to death. As @Nico has posted, report suspicious activity to the grid owners. I do not recommend screenshots because - 1) clothing can be de-rezzed thus picture is faked, and 2) technically you are transmitting/sharing porn. Food for thought. Simple solution, be like the OP or other grids on OSW, state ADULT AV's only, violators will be banned, DONE! Anyone else that allows ALL AV's, well that's their cross to bear and not yours, stop bitching.
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If there is a place that allows all AVs, but prohibits sexual age-play, some kind of proof needs to be provided that this rule is being broken, and by whom. Good point about screenshots. Unfortunately, then we need to depend on the honesty of the person who is reporting it. There are some well-known crusaders who have a history of making false accusations.
It must be noted that people can have sex while clothed. And people can be naked and not having sex. If being naked is being sexual, then there would be no naturalist resorts.
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It must be noted that people can have sex while clothed. And people can be naked and not having sex. If being naked is being sexual, then there would be no naturalist resorts.
And they *will* ban them. I just saw a nekkid kid avi at my store in Darkheart's Boutiques yesterday who was clearly trolling...and the admin ban them completely right away!
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Please stop with the white powder and take your pills!
How is it possible to have sex with pixels or rape them without their consent? I've been trying to get consent from two monitor pixels for years, but they're gay and don't like women :(
I also try incest with whatever is in the middle area of the monitor, but it always turns out that the entire monitor is born in China and no part is related to me :(
I even tried to pay for sex and put greenback into the computer. The fan got stuck and I paid for an expensive repair (no sex).
So TAKE YOUR MEDICATION!!!
It is not possible to change your age or gender by staring at the monitor!!!
If you do it right it's called Role Playing!
If you don't understand how to do it, it's a complete waste of time! Go wash dishes or change diapers!
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How is it possible to have sex with pixels or rape them without their consent? I've been trying to get consent from two monitor pixels for years, but they're gay and don't like women :(
I also try incest with whatever is in the middle area of the monitor, but it always turns out that the entire monitor is born in China and no part is related to me :(
I even tried to pay for sex and put greenback into the computer. The fan got stuck and I paid for an expensive repair (no sex).
So TAKE YOUR MEDICATION!!!
It is not possible to change your age or gender by staring at the monitor!!!
If you do it right it's called Role Playing!
If you don't understand how to do it, it's a complete waste of time! Go wash dishes or change diapers!
Quibbling over the definition of words is a distraction from the real issue -- sexual activity with or by child AVs. Here is what to do if you see it actually occurring. Take a screenshot. If you need to, right-click on the participants and pull up their profile. Then send the screenshot and names to the region owner and the grid admin. The other thing to do is if a child AV messages you asking if you want to "cuddle." Send the log of that message to the region owner and grid admin and ask for that person to be banned. And what do you do about a child AV doing nothing sexual. Hmm, how about taking a picture of them clothed and say they are naked? Or how about not making an idiot of yourself and just ignore people who are doing nothing wrong.
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you seem to always want to bash others and say negative things. I have every right to quiver over the word because then they believe that's what its like in real life or actually Ageplayers have to hide because of others stupidity and misinformation. plain and simple Sexual Ageplay is a made of word and is not actually what Ageplay is. If an adult is having sex with a child that either incest or peto, plain and simple.
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just to "nit-pick" incest doesnt have to be with a child - just saying :P
However I do agree with your points. If I wear a child avatar and have sex that's not "ageplay" in the true meaning (I do get that some would say I am "playing a child - so its ageplay"). However, if I want feel free from my responsibilties and "act" childish - wear childish clothes - play with blocks etc but wearing my adult avatar..... then THAT is ageplay. "Acting" as a child - while not "wearing a child avatar" is ageplay. It being in a sexual context or not is not relevant to it.
One point that does irritate me though is that so many people will say someone is a "child avatar" if they are not a 7ft tall amazon with tanga breasts! I always (in SL and OS) wear a petite avatar. I believe my avatar looks like a young adult - but I've had my share of being banned from places because I am not over 6ft tall etc. I only mention this here because some people consider some adult avatars as child avatars which does muddy the waters somewhat.
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However I do agree with your points. If I wear a child avatar and have sex that's not "ageplay" in the true meaning (I do get that some would say I am "playing a child - so its ageplay"). However, if I want feel free from my responsibilties and "act" childish - wear childish clothes - play with blocks etc but wearing my adult avatar..... then THAT is ageplay. "Acting" as a child - while not "wearing a child avatar" is ageplay. It being in a sexual context or not is not relevant to it.
One point that does irritate me though is that so many people will say someone is a "child avatar" if they are not a 7ft tall amazon with tanga breasts! I always (in SL and OS) wear a petite avatar. I believe my avatar looks like a young adult - but I've had my share of being banned from places because I am not over 6ft tall etc. I only mention this here because some people consider some adult avatars as child avatars which does muddy the waters somewhat.
I agree with what you said, i know incest is not just with a child but it can be part of it. with the young adult petite avatar bodies they have come out with now do make it hard because they look so young. I always try and as first but even there it seems we offend everyone just by asking.
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I never get offended by someone asking if my avatar is over 18. The only time I get offended (and angry tbh) is when someone insists that she is not 18. I swear people must have never met many 18 year olds!!
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Always? Let's quibble about that word. :) But yes, you have the right to quibble. Have at it.
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I have been a Mistress for 30 years. The difference between age play and pedophilia is consent. Age play should be between consenting adults while pedophilia is with children who can't consent. I have encountered a few sims that have pictures on the walls of child avi's with adults. I think this crosses the line. I reported it but what can you do when the sim advocates for this type of behavior? All you can do is stay away if it's not your thing or we can, as a community, come together to bring awareness. The point of Opensim was to allow free creativity and unfortunately, some of those who crossed the line in SL came her to hide. I don't think children avi's
should be allowed on Opensim. If you are a fairy or elf and need a smaller avatar, then let's work to create some that are for that purpose but remove the child altogether.
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should be allowed on Opensim. If you are a fairy or elf and need a smaller avatar, then let's work to create some that are for that purpose but remove the child altogether.
There would have to be, at minimum, user verification at registration. And with Open SImulator being free, not many are going to want to do that. Its even more difficult when some are running the sims from their home computers and not through a world service. I personally have Zooby babies so my partner and I can have a family. I dont know of any other time when it would really be necessary to need a child avatar.
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very well said, but aside from the valid points the in question is how there using the term. We dont always know if the Avatar is a real Adult on the other end unless we did voice or something.
But Sl seems to have a confusing TOS rule from what i have read and been told. ive seen people get banned among personal experiences from games related to child Avatars or just referring to something inappropriate involving children.
A child Avatar does not defined Ageplay, that is not what Ageplay is including real life. I understand this is virtual but if someone if portraying a lifestyle they should do there research. The term sexual Ageplay is an incorrect term honestly made up. Ageplayers do not want to have sex with actual kids nor would they portray it. if someone is portraying sex with kids that is either incest play or pedo crap plain and simple.
if I may ask are you a pro Mistress in real life or is it an online only thing for you?
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But Sl seems to have a confusing TOS rule from what i have read and been told. ive seen people get banned among personal experiences from games related to child Avatars or just referring to something inappropriate involving children.
A child Avatar does not defined Ageplay, that is not what Ageplay is including real life. I understand this is virtual but if someone if portraying a lifestyle they should do there research. The term sexual Ageplay is an incorrect term honestly made up. Ageplayers do not want to have sex with actual kids nor would they portray it. if someone is portraying sex with kids that is either incest play or pedo crap plain and simple.
if I may ask are you a pro Mistress in real life or is it an online only thing for you?
I don't agree with disallowing child avatars in Open Sim. They should be okay in all General, and most Moderate sims. If child avis are clearly engaging in adult behavior, sure, those users should get one warning IMO, and then banned if they repeat the offense. OS is more open ended though, so people can easily open another account, using a different email address to come back on board. I will admit I have alts in OS and SL that use different email addresses (a bunch for junk emails, mostly). The best we all can do collectively is to report abusers; Nico's suggestions to that end are spot on.
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I remember when I first started opensim, there was a big hullabaloo going on with one of the grids maybe another having to do with child avis and other things. That really ruined it for the actual adult Ageplay community and how people see us because of mistakes from kids or chidl avatars. We dont know if they are adults behind those avatars or actual children, I think for safety concerns adult virtual worlds are not the best place for them.
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I understand that. There used to be a designated area in SL for teens, but it closed due to lack of interest in sustaining it. It's sad that we have to deal with this nonsense. I think adults and kids can coexist in designated areas, that's what I think. I suppose I'd know better if I ran a grid or two, but I'd try it.
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what some people dont relize is we all have real lives that can be jeopardized by associating with child avis
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I get that. But I do think it's unfortunate. As mentioned earlier there are a number of reasons for someone playing a child avatar that do not represent anything "bad". However in RL most kids have parents and other adults in their lives. With everyone so scared of child avatar in whatever context it's disappointing for those child avatars that are treated like typhoid Mary.
I do see why.... But it's still disappointing.
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I do see why.... But it's still disappointing.
I get your point, for me it comes down to personal experience and real life things. I just am being careful
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For me, children don't belong in Opensim, especially not in an Aduld region, There are too many with morbid thoughts! you can't support that, in Europe drawings, of course also virtual games in pedographic direction are rightly forbidden.
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Child AVs aren't prohibited in SL. What is prohibited is sexual behavior by child AVs. They are even allowed in places rated Mature and Adult, with some restrictions. There is a name for assigning guilt to a group of people because of the bad behavior of some. Prejudice. And I don't think that belongs in OS.
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It doesn't fit together, Adult clearly from 18 years and thus children are forbidden, would be pedointentions in os want to play, will also have these pathological thoughts in real life, ask the people who have been raped in their lives in childhood.
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3 years ago, SL significantly reduced the children's grids, blocked many avatars and according to European law no children have anything to look for in adult regions, the time with hope hope riders is over, it's time to clean up this mess.
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I travel alot in SL and I honestly havent seen child grids. the only avitars for children that I have encountered are the ones Zooby sells to have older children.
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SL may have done that, but they did not change their policy about child avatars. The article, "the Linden Lab Official: Clarification of policy disallowing ageplay," includes a note:
"Merely having a childlike avatar does not violate this policy. It is not our intent to banish childlike avatars in and of themselves."
https://lindenlab.com/legal/second-life-terms-and-conditio...
In case that is not clear, I'll repeat: "Merely having a childlike avatar does not violate this policy. It is not our intent to banish childlike avatars in and of themselves."
This policy has remained unchanged since 12 May 2010.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Clari...
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"Merely having a childlike avatar does not violate this policy. It is not our intent to banish childlike avatars in and of themselves."
https://lindenlab.com/legal/second-life-terms-and-conditio...
In case that is not clear, I'll repeat: "Merely having a childlike avatar does not violate this policy. It is not our intent to banish childlike avatars in and of themselves."
This policy has remained unchanged since 12 May 2010.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Clari...
Well, in fact, you have already played and confirmed the simpleton and the lie.
All the fuss was over the Darkhearts network.
Congratulations!
You removed them from OSW and now your favorite liars and crooks from the top 20 rule the OpenSIM leaderboard again.
Walk and enjoy empty regions with bots rotten with lies and corruption and parked avatars, fake activity in front of investors and steal at will!
GOOD LUCK!
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All the fuss was over the Darkhearts network.
Congratulations!
You removed them from OSW and now your favorite liars and crooks from the top 20 rule the OpenSIM leaderboard again.
Walk and enjoy empty regions with bots rotten with lies and corruption and parked avatars, fake activity in front of investors and steal at will!
GOOD LUCK!
Several websites offer a definition of age-play that aligns with the following. "Ageplay or age play is a form of roleplaying in which an individual acts or treats another as if they are a different age. Ageplay is roleplaying between adults, and involves consent from all parties. Ageplay is not necessarily sexual, but can be."
In Second Life, when a guy asked if I was really a female, I asked them, "are you really young, fit and hansome, and is your dick that big in RL?" Now, I don't need to ask people in OS if their AV's truly represent their RL age. And, for the most part, because our AVs do not represent our RL age, all of us in OS engage in a form of age-play, as defined above. And sometimes it's sexual.
Fortunately for all, the issue isn't about age-play, It's about sexual age-play with child AVs. The policy of Linden Lab is that sexual "ageplay" (depictions of, or engagement in, sexualized conduct with avatars that resemble children) violates their Community Standards.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Clari...
It's important to know that child AVs are not prohibited in SL. Sexual age-play with child AVs is prohibited. Policies towards child avatars are largely focused on the actions of the avatars, not the avatars themselves.
I don't think most of us in OS are here because we want a place with more restrictions than SL. But, in this matter, some do. Perhaps the anti-kid AV club is made up of people who left SL because child AVs are permitted there. The anti-child AV club could not change SL policy. So they try to impose a more restrictive policy in OS. And they are not beneath making false accusations to try to achieve their aim. They want to ban any and all child-AVs in OS. Quite simply -- it's not going to work.
What will work is for people to ban child AVs in their regions, What will work is grids ban the people on grids that do not ban child AVs. But paranoia, prejudice, and lying will not work.
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In Second Life, when a guy asked if I was really a female, I asked them, "are you really young, fit and hansome, and is your dick that big in RL?" Now, I don't need to ask people in OS if their AV's truly represent their RL age. And, for the most part, because our AVs do not represent our RL age, all of us in OS engage in a form of age-play, as defined above. And sometimes it's sexual.
Fortunately for all, the issue isn't about age-play, It's about sexual age-play with child AVs. The policy of Linden Lab is that sexual "ageplay" (depictions of, or engagement in, sexualized conduct with avatars that resemble children) violates their Community Standards.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Clari...
It's important to know that child AVs are not prohibited in SL. Sexual age-play with child AVs is prohibited. Policies towards child avatars are largely focused on the actions of the avatars, not the avatars themselves.
I don't think most of us in OS are here because we want a place with more restrictions than SL. But, in this matter, some do. Perhaps the anti-kid AV club is made up of people who left SL because child AVs are permitted there. The anti-child AV club could not change SL policy. So they try to impose a more restrictive policy in OS. And they are not beneath making false accusations to try to achieve their aim. They want to ban any and all child-AVs in OS. Quite simply -- it's not going to work.
What will work is for people to ban child AVs in their regions, What will work is grids ban the people on grids that do not ban child AVs. But paranoia, prejudice, and lying will not work.
Sorry..... "prejudice.... will not work"? And then..... "people should ban child avatars and grids ban everyone who doesnt ban child avatars"? Am I the only one that seems some "conflict" with those two???
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You misquoted me. Here is what I said. "What will work is for people to ban child AVs in their regions, What will work is grids ban the people on grids that do not ban child AVs." That's confusing enough without claiming I said something I didn't.
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Ok, I didn't use the "same words" you used.... but you did say it will work for grids to "ban the people on grids that do not ban child AVs" and tthen said that prejudice will noit work. Banning anyone that doesnt also ban child AVs is prejudicial. Some people may consider that acceptable - thats not in question. It may be considered a choice worth making. Whatever it's reason though - its prejudicial.
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Yes, and people can act out of prejudice and do all the things I mentioned. That will work to keep child AVs off a particular region/grid. I didn't explain why that won't work to eliminate all child AVs in OS. One, it's doubtful every grid will do these things. Two, if someone wants to have a place for child AVs, they can start their own grid. It's been done, and more than once.
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Oh I agree - and I believe it was similar to what Harper was saying - it can work: prejudice can work quite well.
Also, don't get me wrong: People SHOULD be free to have their own spaces without "something they don't want". If I was a space that only allows those with Pink hair - I should be allowed to do so. OFC policing it would be my problem!
I also see OS (and SL too) as tools that can help people act out things they cant do in RL: I'm talking about those who may have social anxiety for example.... meeting people in virtual can be a step to helping them in RL. There are several similar things like this. Some people may have valid reasons for wanting to "relive their childhood" or "experiencing a childhood they were robbed of" etc. I personally consider this a good reason to allow child avatars. OFC I support the idea of this in certain areas - noone should expect a "right" to play a child avatar "anywhere they like". Follow the rules of the site you are visiting - and do not expect to be welcome in an "adult" rated area wearing a child avatar!
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Also, don't get me wrong: People SHOULD be free to have their own spaces without "something they don't want". If I was a space that only allows those with Pink hair - I should be allowed to do so. OFC policing it would be my problem!
I also see OS (and SL too) as tools that can help people act out things they cant do in RL: I'm talking about those who may have social anxiety for example.... meeting people in virtual can be a step to helping them in RL. There are several similar things like this. Some people may have valid reasons for wanting to "relive their childhood" or "experiencing a childhood they were robbed of" etc. I personally consider this a good reason to allow child avatars. OFC I support the idea of this in certain areas - noone should expect a "right" to play a child avatar "anywhere they like". Follow the rules of the site you are visiting - and do not expect to be welcome in an "adult" rated area wearing a child avatar!
From the Second Life Wiki
Why play a child in Second Life?
There are a great many reasons to play a child within Second Life, and it is plenty likely that every person playing a child might have their own reasons. Here are six.
1. A way to recapture some of the spirit of youth. Much like the old Twilight Zone episode, "Kick The Can," it allows one to 'be' a child, and run and jump, and play unencumbered with the responsibilities of adulthood.
2. "Re-imagining" bad childhoods. Many SL kids have faced childhoods filled with illness or disability. Many (by no means all) were victims of sexual or other abuses as a child, and this is allowing them to "rewrite" some of those childhood experiences with much healthier ones.
3. Related to the above, many may also want to have childhoods they could not, with all the toys and goodies they may have been denied for some reason. Always wanted that Easy Bake Oven? Go buy or make it in SL. Want the big swingset, or a pony, or whatever? All yours for a few pennies.
4. For fun. It can be a fun type of character to play, allowing for a childlike innocence and whimsey to come to the forefront, and providing for many opportunities to be "silly" that might not otherwise feel comfortable in an adult avatar.
5. A few may feel more comfortable in the role of a child, for whatever reason. While some of these might fall under various "philia" subsets (adult babies, for example), not all do.
6. Some may simply enjoy the roleplaying challenge of playing a kid, which isn't always as easy as one might think.
7. Some avatars may specifically create a child avatar to "escape" from the sexual content in other areas of Second Life. This may include victims of RL child abuse or it may not.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Child_Avatar
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Why play a child in Second Life?
There are a great many reasons to play a child within Second Life, and it is plenty likely that every person playing a child might have their own reasons. Here are six.
1. A way to recapture some of the spirit of youth. Much like the old Twilight Zone episode, "Kick The Can," it allows one to 'be' a child, and run and jump, and play unencumbered with the responsibilities of adulthood.
2. "Re-imagining" bad childhoods. Many SL kids have faced childhoods filled with illness or disability. Many (by no means all) were victims of sexual or other abuses as a child, and this is allowing them to "rewrite" some of those childhood experiences with much healthier ones.
3. Related to the above, many may also want to have childhoods they could not, with all the toys and goodies they may have been denied for some reason. Always wanted that Easy Bake Oven? Go buy or make it in SL. Want the big swingset, or a pony, or whatever? All yours for a few pennies.
4. For fun. It can be a fun type of character to play, allowing for a childlike innocence and whimsey to come to the forefront, and providing for many opportunities to be "silly" that might not otherwise feel comfortable in an adult avatar.
5. A few may feel more comfortable in the role of a child, for whatever reason. While some of these might fall under various "philia" subsets (adult babies, for example), not all do.
6. Some may simply enjoy the roleplaying challenge of playing a kid, which isn't always as easy as one might think.
7. Some avatars may specifically create a child avatar to "escape" from the sexual content in other areas of Second Life. This may include victims of RL child abuse or it may not.
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Child_Avatar
Very good list! Definately agree with number 6 - with the number of people against the idea of child avatars for any reason, many people wishing to play a child avatar are often left to do so with no company. In RL Children need adults. Finding adults willing to RP a family situation (a PG family I am talking about) is very hard.
Some years ago I have attempted to play a child avatar in both SL and OS and find someone to "adopt" me (I wont go into my personal reasons for wanting to try this). After weeks of looking and registering on some adoptoin agencies I found someone........ Turns out he was running a club and he wanted me to "entertain" his customers.............
So yeah..... it can be very hard to play a child for many reasons!
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Some years ago I have attempted to play a child avatar in both SL and OS and find someone to "adopt" me (I wont go into my personal reasons for wanting to try this). After weeks of looking and registering on some adoptoin agencies I found someone........ Turns out he was running a club and he wanted me to "entertain" his customers.............
So yeah..... it can be very hard to play a child for many reasons!
I understand your point, but my point is Ageplay is where you still look adult while portraying another age. Ageplay does not mean look like an actual real life child. people want to be a child avatar that's fine but that is not considered Ageplay.
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Having taken your advice and gone away and done an albeit brief bit of research on the interwebs I can only conclude that it is you who misinformed. All the articles, both popular and academic, (and there are a lot of academic studies out there on this subject) refer to it as 'sexual ageplay'. You may disagree with that usage, but it seems that the usual interpretation is directly opposed to yours. For clarity my search terms were 'ageplay in virtual worlds' using the DuckDuckGo search engine on Brave Browser.
Whilst not generally related to the article above, let's also clarify some differences. According to the New World Notes article dated August 19, 2019:
"Unlike the United States (where the Supreme Court, in 2002, struck down a law prohibiting “virtual” child pornography on First Amendment free speech grounds), many countries criminalize non-photographic images that appear to depict minors in sexual situations."
https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2019/08/second-life-virtual-agep...
Basically what this means is that two 'cartoon' child characters simulating sexual behaviour is legal, (if not wholesome, or even generally acceptable) so long as those behind the child avatars are adults themselves, i.e. over 18. However, the trouble lies in that not everywhere in the world is the USA, (and I have to stress ALL of my American friends have unhesitatingly said that they find sexual ageplay in virtual worlds both obscene and repugnant, regardless as to whether the avatars are cartoonish in appearance). Similar images would, in Germany and the UK see someone prosecuted with a serious crime, as images do not have to be photographic in order to trigger a prosecution.
My personal approach to child avatars is by all means have one, just don't visit my regions, or appear anywhere on OSGrid Plazas whilst I'm there because I will report it without hesitation. I think most regions in Opensim ban child avatars, partially through the creepiness factor. but also for those of us who have been here a while, the fallout from when the Meta7 grid collapsed in 2011 under somewhat mysterious circumstances, (ostensibly over a copyright claim by a company that came into existence after Meta7 - which just sounds a little weird). Meta7 was notorious for being very lax when it came to sexual ageplay, and that is allegedly why the grid had to close. Afterwards several Opensim grids revised their ToS to underline that they were not a haven for ex Meta7 refugees. Most of us subsequently have decided to play on the extremely safe side and have banned child avatars from our regions.
None of this is to undermine the possible benefits of adults using a child avatar as part of professionally guided therapy in order to work out traumas or other mental health issues stemming from childhood. But there is no need to for anyone to have a child avatar for general use, especially when all are 18+ in RL in any case
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Whilst not generally related to the article above, let's also clarify some differences. According to the New World Notes article dated August 19, 2019:
"Unlike the United States (where the Supreme Court, in 2002, struck down a law prohibiting “virtual” child pornography on First Amendment free speech grounds), many countries criminalize non-photographic images that appear to depict minors in sexual situations."
https://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2019/08/second-life-virtual-agep...
Basically what this means is that two 'cartoon' child characters simulating sexual behaviour is legal, (if not wholesome, or even generally acceptable) so long as those behind the child avatars are adults themselves, i.e. over 18. However, the trouble lies in that not everywhere in the world is the USA, (and I have to stress ALL of my American friends have unhesitatingly said that they find sexual ageplay in virtual worlds both obscene and repugnant, regardless as to whether the avatars are cartoonish in appearance). Similar images would, in Germany and the UK see someone prosecuted with a serious crime, as images do not have to be photographic in order to trigger a prosecution.
My personal approach to child avatars is by all means have one, just don't visit my regions, or appear anywhere on OSGrid Plazas whilst I'm there because I will report it without hesitation. I think most regions in Opensim ban child avatars, partially through the creepiness factor. but also for those of us who have been here a while, the fallout from when the Meta7 grid collapsed in 2011 under somewhat mysterious circumstances, (ostensibly over a copyright claim by a company that came into existence after Meta7 - which just sounds a little weird). Meta7 was notorious for being very lax when it came to sexual ageplay, and that is allegedly why the grid had to close. Afterwards several Opensim grids revised their ToS to underline that they were not a haven for ex Meta7 refugees. Most of us subsequently have decided to play on the extremely safe side and have banned child avatars from our regions.
None of this is to undermine the possible benefits of adults using a child avatar as part of professionally guided therapy in order to work out traumas or other mental health issues stemming from childhood. But there is no need to for anyone to have a child avatar for general use, especially when all are 18+ in RL in any case
I think you hit the nail right on the head @Suzi_Avonside - to me it boils down to grids ToS, and respecting them when HGing. Some don't accept child-looking avis at all, some only on PG area.
The problem to me is when we move the conversation to 'legality' and 'morality' - because the narrative is flawed and inconsistent...and self-righteous inconsistency really bothers me, not matter the topic.
Example: Zoophilia is ALLOWED in SL. There are popular, fully 'ToS-complaint' seems like The Barn, focused on it. You can have sex with horses and dogs there. Yet zoophilia is illegal in most countries - as it's abusive to poor, defenseless, animals.
Same with Gor (as I mentioned somewhere else): it's RP based on slavery, rape, killing too. You can kill avis in SL if enabled in the region...
So my overall take on this conversation: Your grid, your rules. (i.e. Sexual AP not okay. Zoo not okay. Killing yes). But it will always be arbitrary. But people need to drop the whole 'morality' or 'legality' narrative.
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The problem to me is when we move the conversation to 'legality' and 'morality' - because the narrative is flawed and inconsistent...and self-righteous inconsistency really bothers me, not matter the topic.
Example: Zoophilia is ALLOWED in SL. There are popular, fully 'ToS-complaint' seems like The Barn, focused on it. You can have sex with horses and dogs there. Yet zoophilia is illegal in most countries - as it's abusive to poor, defenseless, animals.
Same with Gor (as I mentioned somewhere else): it's RP based on slavery, rape, killing too. You can kill avis in SL if enabled in the region...
So my overall take on this conversation: Your grid, your rules. (i.e. Sexual AP not okay. Zoo not okay. Killing yes). But it will always be arbitrary. But people need to drop the whole 'morality' or 'legality' narrative.
I wouldn't consider myself misinformed at all, basically virtual worlds created this word based on child avatars telling them false info. Sexual Ageplay is never used in real life or in the community.
Ageplay is some one acting a younger age, not where they look like an actual child avatar. Even if you see a child avatar, most times there acting like an adult so how can you consider that Ageplay. My point was that looking like a child Avatar in world doesn't make it Ageplay.
there is a lot of things you said that i do agree on though. in a lot of countries sex between a child and an adult in world would be considered pedo or abuse. In virtual worlds depending on how its portrayed it can be both obscene and repugnant i can agree on that. I did read that article and a few others i came across. The term seems merely an online term made up without any connections to the actual community. However the way its portrayed that is what people think Ageplay is in real life and its not.
As far as your last statement about using it as guiding therapy my point would stand on this too. being in the category of regression its still the same. one acts like a younger age, they do not look like a full real life child.
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Ageplay is some one acting a younger age, not where they look like an actual child avatar. Even if you see a child avatar, most times there acting like an adult so how can you consider that Ageplay. My point was that looking like a child Avatar in world doesn't make it Ageplay.
there is a lot of things you said that i do agree on though. in a lot of countries sex between a child and an adult in world would be considered pedo or abuse. In virtual worlds depending on how its portrayed it can be both obscene and repugnant i can agree on that. I did read that article and a few others i came across. The term seems merely an online term made up without any connections to the actual community. However the way its portrayed that is what people think Ageplay is in real life and its not.
As far as your last statement about using it as guiding therapy my point would stand on this too. being in the category of regression its still the same. one acts like a younger age, they do not look like a full real life child.
I believe in the "real world" some "littles" (adults who may dress/act childish) may engage in "adult activities" but many others do not as they feel it doesnt feel right when they are in "littlespace". I think this just has to be right for the little and his/her caregiver and its noone elses business really. I've not really heard those who engage in this livestyle in RL call it "sexual ageplay" though. It's just "ageplay" (and whatever is done while engaging in that play).
Again though - I stress I am talking about adults engaging in RL roleplay such as Dom/little or Domme/little dynamics.
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Again though - I stress I am talking about adults engaging in RL roleplay such as Dom/little or Domme/little dynamics.
in real life we do not call it sexual Ageplay, never have and never will. its just a made up term, we dont ever want to have sex with kids eithers. again any of that stuff seen online is pedo or incest play.
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Virtual worlds may well have coined the term, but it is virtual worlds that are our point of reference here, and as you will be aware, some terminology has a different meaning depending on the context in which it is used. Therefore ageplay within virtual worlds involves child avatars, and sexual ageplay child avatars or child and adult avatars in sexual simulations. That ageplay might have a different meaning in a different context is neither here nor there - it is what it means within the metaverse that is under discussion here.
The very fact that the several academic papers I looked at all used the term 'sexual ageplay' with a similar and specific meaning, all related to the context of virtual worlds can only mean that the term ageplay, no matter how it is used in other contexts, involves a child avatar.
For the removal of any doubt, any depiction of sexual behaviour between and adult avatar and a child avatar, or simulated sexual behaviour between two avatars that appear to be under 18 years old would be deemed child pornography, even if they were in a virtual world environment. It's not a matter of individual determination, but of the law in the UK and many other countries, and depictions of sexual ageplay is criminalised, even if it is a couple of cartoon avatars.
That ageplay might have a very different meaning outside of virtual worlds does not alter the meaning it has acquired within virtual worlds.
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The very fact that the several academic papers I looked at all used the term 'sexual ageplay' with a similar and specific meaning, all related to the context of virtual worlds can only mean that the term ageplay, no matter how it is used in other contexts, involves a child avatar.
For the removal of any doubt, any depiction of sexual behaviour between and adult avatar and a child avatar, or simulated sexual behaviour between two avatars that appear to be under 18 years old would be deemed child pornography, even if they were in a virtual world environment. It's not a matter of individual determination, but of the law in the UK and many other countries, and depictions of sexual ageplay is criminalised, even if it is a couple of cartoon avatars.
That ageplay might have a very different meaning outside of virtual worlds does not alter the meaning it has acquired within virtual worlds.
If its a couple of cartoon avatars - one (or more) with a child avatar - then yes. However, If its a couple of adult avatars - but one is wearing (for example) a pacifier and diaper (but still an adult avatar) then that is not "criminalised". There is no depiction of a child involved - just two adult avatars engaging in "whatever". I think THIS is (one example) of ageplay that Missresssdiagato is referring to (as opposed to actual child avatars).
If course the other half of this question is...... two adult avatars..... but how old are their "typists"?
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If course the other half of this question is...... two adult avatars..... but how old are their "typists"?
Do you read the articles you share? "Individuals who engage in ageplay are consenting adults who enjoy imagining or portraying themselves as children, or merely enjoy childlike elements typical of children present in adults."
The Wikipedia article basically contradicts the line you are drawing, and labels what you talk about as "Paraphilic Infantilism". The KEY part, in all of it is TWO CONSENTING ADULTS.
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The Wikipedia article basically contradicts the line you are drawing, and labels what you talk about as "Paraphilic Infantilism". The KEY part, in all of it is TWO CONSENTING ADULTS.
Of course it's two consenting adults, but portraying yourself as an actual child avatar in world doesn't make you an ageplayer. It's misrepresentation.
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