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Experience Living In The 1920s
The Great Gatsby
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Hey Everyone 🙂 I'm performing at Stark Islands at 11:AM
Come join me, request a few tunes and have some fun!
Time: 11:00am/1100hr Grid Time
Place: Stark Islands
Dress: Seasonal/Casual/Club Wear/Nakie
MAP: hop://login.zetaworlds.com/Stark/90/95/46
Come join me, request a few tunes and have some fun!
Time: 11:00am/1100hr Grid Time
Place: Stark Islands
Dress: Seasonal/Casual/Club Wear/Nakie
MAP: hop://login.zetaworlds.com/Stark/90/95/46
with Admin rights in your region at a cost of €8/month
The silver package offers you a 2x2 Var surface, 30000 prims available
with Admin right in your region at a cost of €15/month
possibility of parceling out the region
The silver package offers you a 2x2 Var surface, 30000 prims available
with Admin right in your region at a cost of €15/month
possibility of parceling out the region
Making an acceptation to this region about original content stores.
I am looking for someone to start a mesh bodies store with a wide variety of mesh bodies, like Athena, legacy, and all the others.
I am looking for someone to start a mesh bodies store with a wide variety of mesh bodies, like Athena, legacy, and all the others.
Lynnestra Parker and On The Rocks present "St Patrick's Day"
Sunday Mar 16th, 5:00 PM to 7:00 PM Pacific
DJ Maldrul will be playing Rock songs by Irish bands along with his signature selection of SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!
hop://alternatemetaverse.com:8002/Airmid/478/97/23
Sunday Mar 16th, 5:00 PM to 7:00 PM Pacific
DJ Maldrul will be playing Rock songs by Irish bands along with his signature selection of SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!
hop://alternatemetaverse.com:8002/Airmid/478/97/23
Were you ever told "Don't put off till tomorrow what you can do today."? Well when it comes to a party I never procrastinate. LOL So On The Rocks is not going to put off St Patty's Day fun until the 17th.. We are pouring the free green beer and some rocking tunes to celebrate the luck of the Irish. Not Irish? No problem. Everyone is Irish this time of year. So put on the green and come have green beer and fun at On The Rocks. Today, Sunday March 16, 5 P.M - 7 P.M. Pacific time.
hop://alternatemetaverse.com:8002/Airmid/478/97/23
hop://alternatemetaverse.com:8002/Airmid/478/97/23
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Coming up at 6PM
At the Fashion Pavilion: hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/1024/1183/22
Zoree Live, 3-4:00pm
OSGRID Event plaza's Events during the offline period.Temporaryadress is here:
hop://login.sunlight-grid.com/Events%20Plaza/128/128/0
12 GRID TILL LATE: LOVELY IN EXILE: DOUBLE HEADER
DJ ROSA ALEKSEEV AT DOCKLANDS2
SHAKE IT UP- ROSA GOES AFRICAN.
+ LOVELY DJS LATE MIX
Tonight the music comes from far
All the way from Africa
Mali Congo Tanzania
Many genres we will hear
Rosa give it all she got
Docklands Club will be so hot
Then our DJs do a mix
Lovely sounds with favourite picks
IM Bobbi Fox Pin Deluca or Zen Reiko for Uber
DJ ROSA ALEKSEEV AT DOCKLANDS2
SHAKE IT UP- ROSA GOES AFRICAN.
+ LOVELY DJS LATE MIX
Tonight the music comes from far
All the way from Africa
Mali Congo Tanzania
Many genres we will hear
Rosa give it all she got
Docklands Club will be so hot
Then our DJs do a mix
Lovely sounds with favourite picks
IM Bobbi Fox Pin Deluca or Zen Reiko for Uber
Just started! Hope you can come!
Bringing his signature sound and undeniable voice to the stage, let’s hear it for Spirit Badger! He will sing primarily in German on March 15th at 12:00 PM Grid Time at OpenSim Worlds Fair. Don’t miss it!
Stage 4: hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/1245/804/22
Bringing his signature sound and undeniable voice to the stage, let’s hear it for Spirit Badger! He will sing primarily in German on March 15th at 12:00 PM Grid Time at OpenSim Worlds Fair. Don’t miss it!
Stage 4: hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/1245/804/22
Hey Everyone! Join me today at
EVENT PLAZA BACKUP!
2:00PM GRID TIME!
CLASSIC ROCK - CCLASSIC COUNTRY
RIDE: hg.sunlight-grid.com:80:Events Plaza
It’s time to turn up the volume on Friday, March 14th 12:00 PM grid time and lose yourself as Donn DeVore sings rock tunes for us at the OpenSim Worlds Fair.
Stage 3 hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/732/804/22
#OSWF #opensim
Stage 3 hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/732/804/22
#OSWF #opensim
Zoree just took the stage in the FORMAL Ballroom..come on down
Zoree Jupiter Live
1:00pm at The Triannon Ballroom
Friendly crowd and music variety according to your requests.
Looking forward to having you join us :)
Attire: Formal
hg.trianon-world.com:18002:Trianon Complex
1:00pm at The Triannon Ballroom
Friendly crowd and music variety according to your requests.
Looking forward to having you join us :)
Attire: Formal
hg.trianon-world.com:18002:Trianon Complex
Zoree Jupiter Live
1:00pm at The Triannon Ballroom
Friendly crowd and music variety according to your requests.
Looking forward to having you join us :)
Attire: Formal
hg.trianon-world.com:18002:Trianon Complex
1:00pm at The Triannon Ballroom
Friendly crowd and music variety according to your requests.
Looking forward to having you join us :)
Attire: Formal
hg.trianon-world.com:18002:Trianon Complex
Happening now!!!
Come on out to Stage 4 at the Worlds Fair. DJ Anthony is awesome. Here is the hop: hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/1258/807/22
The E Grid is down for major additions and maintenance till the 24th of March.
Apologies to Guests and Residents, but we are happy to say all Resident IAR's are backed up as of today.
Oars as well.
See you on the 24th!!
Apologies to Guests and Residents, but we are happy to say all Resident IAR's are backed up as of today.
Oars as well.
See you on the 24th!!
Schön war es. Wie immer ...
Ein paar Bilder vom Abend aus dem XiXi Club.
Tolle Gäste, tolle Musik, nette Gespräche, was will man mehr.
Diesmal war der Blue Monday auf China im Xenolandia Grid.
Die Region schreit eigentlich nach Strandpartys am Meer, das wird bestimmt noch kommen, versprochen.
Danke für Euren Besuch und die tolle Stimmung.
Zu den Fotos > https://bit.ly/4kDYCAy
Ein paar Bilder vom Abend aus dem XiXi Club.
Tolle Gäste, tolle Musik, nette Gespräche, was will man mehr.
Diesmal war der Blue Monday auf China im Xenolandia Grid.
Die Region schreit eigentlich nach Strandpartys am Meer, das wird bestimmt noch kommen, versprochen.
Danke für Euren Besuch und die tolle Stimmung.
Zu den Fotos > https://bit.ly/4kDYCAy
Reminder for the E Grid :
We will be offline from the 11th to the 24th, possibly to the evening of the 23.
Please be aware that all lands go offline tomorrow morning, very early SLT time.
Thank you!
We will be offline from the 11th to the 24th, possibly to the evening of the 23.
Please be aware that all lands go offline tomorrow morning, very early SLT time.
Thank you!
DJane Dragon at Dragons Biker Heaven on Carpe Noctem : Mon 10th Mar 8:00 AM to 10:00
DJ DragonLady - Dragon loves gothic rock, her sets are lively and often feature the less well known european artists
come and relax in the company of bikes!
Come over with your friends, dance and party.
Ill play rock, hardrock, metall and your request.
Waiting for you
Dragon
Dragons Biker Heaven hop://alternatemetaverse.com:8002/Carpe%20Noctem/220/242/1...
DJ DragonLady - Dragon loves gothic rock, her sets are lively and often feature the less well known european artists
come and relax in the company of bikes!
Come over with your friends, dance and party.
Ill play rock, hardrock, metall and your request.
Waiting for you
Dragon
Dragons Biker Heaven hop://alternatemetaverse.com:8002/Carpe%20Noctem/220/242/1...
The lights are on, and the music is about to take you on a journey! Give it up for the incredible Tuna Oddfellow with his psychedelic DJ show on Sun., March 9th at 12:00PM Grid Time at the OpenSim Worlds Fair.
hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/1016/1023/1004
hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/1016/1023/1004
E Grid back online till Tuesday morning!
2 PM to 4 PM grid time - Today 8th March Saturday. Special Music by DJ Maldrul at the ABYSS Club, Pangea-Grid
Come and join us for 2 hours of Fun, Dancing and Entertainment.
hop://pangeagrid.de:8002/The Abyss/565/140/25
Come and join us for 2 hours of Fun, Dancing and Entertainment.
hop://pangeagrid.de:8002/The Abyss/565/140/25
2 PM to 4 PM grid time - Today 8th March Saturday. Special Music by DJ Maldrul at the ABYSS Club, Pangea-Grid
Come and join us for 2 hours of Fun, Dancing and Entertainment.
https://opensimworld.com/hop/93343
Come and join us for 2 hours of Fun, Dancing and Entertainment.
https://opensimworld.com/hop/93343
E Grid down for regular Sat maintenance. Hopefully no one got bumped off, always try to warn!
Back on tonight! :)
Hey Everyone 🙂
Come join us at Parsons Creek!
Featuring MoonStar Lisa LIVE
*When: 2:00pm OST
*Where: Parsons Creek Lodge
*Ride: lfgrid.com:8002:Parsons Creek
rom today virtualife is a grid open to everyone. (ONLY ADULT, NO CHILD AVATAR).
Opening March 4th 9am with the new build
Get ready to turn up the volume tomorrow, Sunday, March 2nd at the OpenSim Worlds Fair!
11:00 am grid time Aphra Hendrix brings the beats that will keep you moving! Don’t miss a second of this electrifying performance! The show will be on her own stage at the fair:
hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/623/821/25
12:00 pm grid time on Stage 2 give it up for Khiron Ametza who's ready to take us on a 1980s musical journey you won’t forget!
hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/1279/1175/22
5:00 pm grid time Get ready for some hip-shakin’ as DJ Spirit spins high-octane Rockabilly tunes from the 1950s. Dance to a sound like no other!
Stage 3: hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/732/804/22
Hope to see you there. Remember there are also exhibits, tech, education, fashion, rides and more.
11:00 am grid time Aphra Hendrix brings the beats that will keep you moving! Don’t miss a second of this electrifying performance! The show will be on her own stage at the fair:
hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/623/821/25
12:00 pm grid time on Stage 2 give it up for Khiron Ametza who's ready to take us on a 1980s musical journey you won’t forget!
hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/1279/1175/22
5:00 pm grid time Get ready for some hip-shakin’ as DJ Spirit spins high-octane Rockabilly tunes from the 1950s. Dance to a sound like no other!
Stage 3: hop://grid.wolfterritories.org:8002/OpenSim Worlds Fair/732/804/22
Hope to see you there. Remember there are also exhibits, tech, education, fashion, rides and more.
Today - 2pm PST!!
Rogue Galaxy LIVE at Sound City!!
Friday 02/28/2025 - 2pm PST
» Шhen: ❈ ∵∴2:00pm ∵∴ ❈
» Шhere: ✫SOUNDCITY✫
» Dress: ❈ ∵∴ CASUAL∵∴ ❈
» Ride: hop://lfgrid.com:8002/Littlefield%20East/123/113/21
Rogue Galaxy LIVE at Sound City!!
Friday 02/28/2025 - 2pm PST
» Шhen: ❈ ∵∴2:00pm ∵∴ ❈
» Шhere: ✫SOUNDCITY✫
» Dress: ❈ ∵∴ CASUAL∵∴ ❈
» Ride: hop://lfgrid.com:8002/Littlefield%20East/123/113/21
 | Fred Beckhusen/Ferd Frederix: We must call you ROOUE GAXY from now on. 2 years ago |
Hey Everyone 🙂 I'm performing at Sound City -
Littlefield Grid! Come join me, request a few tunes
and have some fun!
» Шhen: ❈ ∵∴2:00pm OST/5:PM EST ∵∴ ❈
» Шhere: ✫SOUNDCITY✫
» Dress: ❈ ∵∴ CASUAL∵∴ ❈
» Ride: hop://lfgrid.com:8002/Littlefield%20East/123/113/21
Littlefield Grid! Come join me, request a few tunes
and have some fun!
» Шhen: ❈ ∵∴2:00pm OST/5:PM EST ∵∴ ❈
» Шhere: ✫SOUNDCITY✫
» Dress: ❈ ∵∴ CASUAL∵∴ ❈
» Ride: hop://lfgrid.com:8002/Littlefield%20East/123/113/21
Neverworld's FREE LAND HUB: An Information Hub for locating free land, parcels and housing on the Neverworld Grid. Our vacant lands and housing vary in size and types of landscapes, including tropical, urban, island, community landscapes (with nearby shopping), fantasy, vampire, post-apocalyptic landscapes, high-desert and mountain roads for exploring in a motorized vehicle, and more. Hypergridders are welcome on many of our regions.
We also offer regions starting at $2.50 per month with full god mode privileges.
We also offer regions starting at $2.50 per month with full god mode privileges.
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Ⓞ░░(¯`·.\ /.·´¯)░Magestic-Gentle Fire
Ⓡ░ (¯ `·. ❀.·´¯)░2:00 - 3:00pm
Ⓔ░░(_.·´/ \`·._)░ Casual/formal
Ⓔ░░░ (_.:._)░Pop,love,disco,fado,rock,country,etc
New location:
♥Map:
hop://gentlefire.opensim.fun:8002/gentlefire.opensim.fun%3...
Ⓩ░░░ ( ¯:¯)░乙ƠƦЄЄ░JUPƖƬЄƦ
Ⓞ░░(¯`·.\ /.·´¯)░Magestic-Gentle Fire
Ⓡ░ (¯ `·. ❀.·´¯)░2:00 - 3:00pm
Ⓔ░░(_.·´/ \`·._)░ Casual/formal
Ⓔ░░░ (_.:._)░Pop,love,disco,fado,rock,country,etc
New location:
♥Map:
hop://gentlefire.opensim.fun:8002/gentlefire.opensim.fun%3...
Hey Folks 🙂 Im performing at the Sky Ballroom!
Come join me for some new tunes tonight.
◂◄◀ Nefertari Beach Resort Ballroom▶►▸
» Шhen: ❈ ∵∴4:00pm ∵∴ ❈
» Шhat: • ROGUE GALAXY LIVE •
» Dress: ❈ ∵∴ Semi-Formal/Formal∵∴ ❈
» Ride: hop://login.digiworldz.com:8002/Nefertari%20Beach%20Resort...
Come join me for some new tunes tonight.
◂◄◀ Nefertari Beach Resort Ballroom▶►▸
» Шhen: ❈ ∵∴4:00pm ∵∴ ❈
» Шhat: • ROGUE GALAXY LIVE •
» Dress: ❈ ∵∴ Semi-Formal/Formal∵∴ ❈
» Ride: hop://login.digiworldz.com:8002/Nefertari%20Beach%20Resort...
🐑 🎀 𝑀𝓊𝓈𝒾𝒸 𝒾𝓈 𝓂𝓎 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 🎀 🐑
(っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Dj MOCCI ♥
(っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ 24.02.2025 ♥
(っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ H 13.00 SLT H 22.00 EU ♥
TAXI : clonefantasy.sytes.net:8002/The Sound of Music/
(っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Dj MOCCI ♥
(っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ 24.02.2025 ♥
(っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ H 13.00 SLT H 22.00 EU ♥
TAXI : clonefantasy.sytes.net:8002/The Sound of Music/
Dance in the streets of N’Awlins with DJ Kith and the Tribe at Mardi Gras 2025!
Region: Wyldwood Bayou N'Awlins
Event begins: 2025-02-22 18:00 SLT
Added by: Kith Whitehawk✦
Details:
Our Mardi Gras celebration will rock you and DJ Kith has an amazing set for you tonight! Kith's gonna rock N’Awlins with the most exciting blues anywhere!! They will throw in some fabulous Cajun and Zydeco tunes for your Mardi Gras fun, so if you like your blues with an edge... Join that Second Line and hop the first gator down to Bourbon Street in N'Awlins on Wyldwood Bayou Grid! We'll be dancing in the streets!! Mardi Gras costumes available or come as you are.
wyldwoodbayou.com:8002:Wyldwood Bayou
Region: Wyldwood Bayou N'Awlins
Event begins: 2025-02-22 18:00 SLT
Added by: Kith Whitehawk✦
Details:
Our Mardi Gras celebration will rock you and DJ Kith has an amazing set for you tonight! Kith's gonna rock N’Awlins with the most exciting blues anywhere!! They will throw in some fabulous Cajun and Zydeco tunes for your Mardi Gras fun, so if you like your blues with an edge... Join that Second Line and hop the first gator down to Bourbon Street in N'Awlins on Wyldwood Bayou Grid! We'll be dancing in the streets!! Mardi Gras costumes available or come as you are.
wyldwoodbayou.com:8002:Wyldwood Bayou
Mexico Lindo!! Minion's party!!
We have some minion's avatar at Mexico Lindo welcome.
Join us, let's have fun together!!
Join us at 5 pm grid time for an hour of great fun with a live performance from Steven Strikker.
The Piazza, where great fun and good friends come together.
Drop this link into your map;
http://bridgemere.outworldz.net:8002:Paradise Lagoon
The Piazza, where great fun and good friends come together.
Drop this link into your map;
http://bridgemere.outworldz.net:8002:Paradise Lagoon
Date: Feb 22th 2025
⏰ Time: 1:00 PM pft (21 gmt)
Location: Nikopol Club / grid.nexus-haven.ovh:8002:Nikopol Station
Step into a futuristic and retro-fantasy world for a couple of hours of mesmerizing House music! ?? A Steampunk & Sci-Fi ambiance, hypnotic lights, and deep bass await you… Get ready for a timeless sonic journey!
Come in numbers and let yourself be transported! ?✨
Let's groove in the future! ?
⏰ Time: 1:00 PM pft (21 gmt)
Location: Nikopol Club / grid.nexus-haven.ovh:8002:Nikopol Station
Step into a futuristic and retro-fantasy world for a couple of hours of mesmerizing House music! ?? A Steampunk & Sci-Fi ambiance, hypnotic lights, and deep bass await you… Get ready for a timeless sonic journey!
Come in numbers and let yourself be transported! ?✨
Let's groove in the future! ?
2 PM to 4 PM grid time - Today 22nd February Saturday. Special Music by DJ Maldrul at the ABYSS Club, Pangea-Grid
Come and join us for 2 hours of Fun, Dancing and Entertainment.
https://opensimworld.com/hop/93343
Come and join us for 2 hours of Fun, Dancing and Entertainment.
https://opensimworld.com/hop/93343
Die Motivation für unser kleines "Festival" war ja Fritze Merz und die deutsche Tagespolitik und nachdem wir am Sonntag wählen (oder habt ihr schon?) sind wir alle gespannt darauf "was hinten rauskommt" (um mit einem früheren Kanzler zu sprechen).
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