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To all the folks who hope to create RP sims sadly in Opensims they don't work. RP should be a large group effort. Opensims just don't have enough people, Unlike SL where there is 1000's online at any given day. At the end of the day we create/build for ourselves which isn't a bad thing.
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LOL I am active in SL, and you have a distorted view of them as well. Finding roleplayers in SL is a constant struggle. Sims open and close constantly due to lack of participation and no way to fund the sims. I was a resident in Rosehaven and am still active in the trail riding group, and while they have lots of residents, there are only 2 or 3 people at any given time across about 8-10 sims unless there is an event. I have seen 3-5 well established equine lifestyle rp regions close in the last year due to a spreading distribution among the limited population.
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Years ago maybe 2007, 2008 there was a few different types in SL example star trek was huge then. Lately like you said not so much. Blame it on the online gaming :) LOL
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Most gamers I know want something that is already done and has goals, built in rewards etc. For many, virtual world is a blank slate to create on or make up your own adventure. That drove many gamers out of SL. Additionally, the constantly changing computer requirements in SL were highly problematic. Much more tolerable and stable in OS. Truthfully, you have to have a 1200-2000 dollar machine (or more) to have any sort of good experience that is going to last. And the cost of really getting started in SL is 20-30 dollars. You have to buy a high end Barbie or Ken doll. Unless someone knows how to shop the sales, they are going to spend far more than that. Add the expense of a rental - someone will spend 50-100 to get set up, only to find out they don't like it. And the 20-30 hr learning curve for non gamers with no experience is another investment as well.
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It isn't really easy for experienced MMO gamers to get into SL either. No quests, no level-grinding, no stats whatsoever except your L$ account, no railroading, no telling you what to do at all, and the handling of the inventory and the way avatars are built confuses and alienates the hell out of them.
I've once watched a video of a Swedish gamer who tries out SL for the first time. He spends some ten minutes aimlessly derping around the same he has landed on. He absolutely had no clue what to do and how to do it. He obviously hadn't read anything about SL because why read up when you can rely on learning-by-doing tutorials? Only that SL doesn't railroad you into a tutorial because it doesn't have one in the first place. So after these ten minutes, he quit because SL sucks.
9 out of 10 new SL users only log in once and then never again.
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I've once watched a video of a Swedish gamer who tries out SL for the first time. He spends some ten minutes aimlessly derping around the same he has landed on. He absolutely had no clue what to do and how to do it. He obviously hadn't read anything about SL because why read up when you can rely on learning-by-doing tutorials? Only that SL doesn't railroad you into a tutorial because it doesn't have one in the first place. So after these ten minutes, he quit because SL sucks.
9 out of 10 new SL users only log in once and then never again.
Even Star Trek Online alienated and lost alot of members. I was one of them, and the reason is they will not accept anyone using Windows 7 Pro anymore. Most likely because Windows 8 on up sucks and is spyware and crappier. But Activision was bought out by Microcrap and probably forced us to either upgrade to their garbage spyware or leave. MOST,like myself, left.
I do miss it, but it was getting lame. I have a whole fleet, but the PVP ground combat was almost non existent because a few douchebags ruined it for everyone with spawn camping.
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I do miss it, but it was getting lame. I have a whole fleet, but the PVP ground combat was almost non existent because a few douchebags ruined it for everyone with spawn camping.
Any form of play in Opensim is immediately condemned by the hater group. According to them, OpenSIM is a place where huge crowds of fans 24/7 watch and cheer every cube move in their SIM...
The few successful RPGs here are constantly abused and terrorized by religious fanatics and psychopaths.
The height of absurdity was some time ago when greedy game developers almost went so far as to demand the physical liquidation of the then new Casino Sim...
There is no point in talking about adult games in OpenSIM :)
However, despite the active fight against the use of OpenSIM for gaming, there are also several working game zones.
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The few successful RPGs here are constantly abused and terrorized by religious fanatics and psychopaths.
The height of absurdity was some time ago when greedy game developers almost went so far as to demand the physical liquidation of the then new Casino Sim...
There is no point in talking about adult games in OpenSIM :)
However, despite the active fight against the use of OpenSIM for gaming, there are also several working game zones.
My roleplay group has been active and roleplaying weekly since InWorldZ; we have moved grids multiple times before finding a permanent home on Wyldwood Bayou. We have used other people's regions for our roleplay (with permission) when we needed expanded venues. There are only 5 of us, but most of us have been together roleplaying for more than 12 years. We have fun, we make great stories and we don't need or want 60 people. It is much harder for a larger group to stay compatible.
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I understand, So another words you have 5 friends acting like there is a role play but in reality your just having fun.
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I'm not sure I understand your reply, Joe? Is roleplay not supposed to be fun? At its best it is good street theater and the number participating should not matter.
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Agreed. As one of those players, I wonder what your definition of rp is, Joe. I thought it was ongoing, connected storyline; good theater; progression and evolution of characters and plot. Then there are rpg's, which are different, of course. I was in a group in OS that moved to a tabletop platform because they were on a really terrible grid and didn't know better. I still play. But I will say, this will be the last D&D campaign I will be in. Wizards of the Coast have just made it too tedious. I was playing at the very beginning when we made up our own campaigns. I will stick with slimmer worlds - like Shadowrun and Cthulhu. Even so, ngl, I HATE the tabletop platform LOL.
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Correct Fith: Quality before quantity. I learned that since sl where mainly dramas wanted to join, and get a leading role the first day like"Hey.. I want to start as Captain..lets fight the Borg". This is not RP. Good RPlers have also a good community. Maybe for Joe a "good" RP is only at his sims. Only so I can explain that reactions he also did years ago at other sims. Kinda like: Only how I understand a good rp, is a good rp
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I did have ex-slers in my grid 8 in total from a star wars sl faction problem was they decided 8 people with different times restraints was not acceptable for them and no one wanted to recruit. I told them all from day 1 I'm only a builder I do not RP and there free to do as they like. anyways it didnt work out same as my star trek fleet which in fact was and still is if i decide to put it online surpasses SL. People who come to opensims sadly don't have the RP mentality. Dance Dance and more Dance is there interest..
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That's exactly how our RP group feels Fit, the more people you have in an RP group the more issues that arise. We're doing well and happy though we do recruit. But, we know well, that RP is not for everyone, and that's fine.
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I remember building a few sims for them, before I was already done with Corcyrus, the whole RP community there was gone. That was a matter for about 3 weeks.
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Sadly there long gone, I'm familiar with the grid. There player list is small and transferred from SL. The grid may be still alive but players not so much.
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Kindra Turian still seems pretty active and the grid is ranked as 92nd in traffic. Maybe they are no longer so active on OSW but not dead. https://opensimworld.com/hop/75982
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I been here in Opensims 14 years and only did I see one Grid have a small group of role players. That was a Star Trek themed grid many many years ago. One has to figure at least 60 plus people have to be involved being not all are online at any given time. And a few people in such a large build is not going work well. Not to mention the interests, Now like SL back in the day :) there was around 50k online at any given day unlike Opensims where there is maybe 1000 in all 2000 plus grids currently online. I applaud grids trying to get people to join there grid in anyway they can. But like I said RP sadly in reality don't work. I know I been trying but lately lately not to hard with my 2 grids dedicated to RP.
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Yes! Joe you are right, To enhance the roleplaying experience in OpenSim, collaboration between different roleplay grids could be a game-changer. When OpenSim roleplay grids work together, they can tap into larger player pools and generate more interest.
The failure of some roleplay grids in OpenSim often stems from a lack of sufficient interest and a small player base. By joining forces, grids could expand their reach, attract more players, and create a more dynamic and engaging environment for roleplayers. This is exactly what @FitheachEun does when possible. She contacted me to see if I would be interested in having her RP group visit my iknimaya RP which I would have loved but our backstory didn't exactly fit what she had in mind for the roleplay. I'm open to your RP group joining us at Iknimaya. As long as we stick to the backstory and theme of our RP, which is set before the RDA arrives, focusing on clan activities and challenges for roles within the clan.
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The failure of some roleplay grids in OpenSim often stems from a lack of sufficient interest and a small player base. By joining forces, grids could expand their reach, attract more players, and create a more dynamic and engaging environment for roleplayers. This is exactly what @FitheachEun does when possible. She contacted me to see if I would be interested in having her RP group visit my iknimaya RP which I would have loved but our backstory didn't exactly fit what she had in mind for the roleplay. I'm open to your RP group joining us at Iknimaya. As long as we stick to the backstory and theme of our RP, which is set before the RDA arrives, focusing on clan activities and challenges for roles within the clan.
The problem isn't simply that OpenSim has too few people. It's rather that too few OpenSim users even care for immersion and character play/light roleplay. (Shameless self-advertisement: I've created a group for this. https://opensimworld.com/groups/1069 ) Some reject it outright, some even insult those who do care as idiots who are "doing OpenSim wrong". For many, OpenSim is nothing but a 3-D chat in a fancy environment.
You can see it everywhere.
You can see it in the avatars. Male avatars clad in heavy black leather on tropical beaches, just because they always have to look badass. Female avatars in micro-minidresses and 6-inch platform sandals with 12-inch spike heels both on sandy beaches and on Christmas sims covered in snow and ice, just because they always have to max their sexiness out. Okay, partly also because many popular freebie sims simply don't offer them anything that'd work better. Also, avatars that completely change their hairstyle or even skin tone on a daily basis.
Also, if you walk away from a party so that people won't see you teleport away, you're a weirdo. You're expected to do as everyone else does and teleport away right from the dancefloor.
You can see it on the sims. Paths that are purely decorational and completely useless because they can't be walked, but the sim owner doesn't know because they've never walked them themselves, and they don't care because they don't think anyone else would walk these paths.
Having to teleport over distances that'd be short enough for a walk of a few seconds, but the sim is decorated in such a way that it's impossible to walk. Or at least having to walk through lots of flowers that grow in your only possible way between the landing-point and an important location on the sim because the sim owner has literally never walked around their own sim even once and always flies everywhere, and visitors are expected to use a teleporter for a distance of, like, 50 metres.
Walking actually being required, but with a slope in the way that'd even be too steep for stairs in real life. And you don't have any stairs in-world, you have to crawl up that hill.
Beaches on which you can dance, play Greedy and fuck, but swimming is impossible because the sim owner doesn't even take it into consideration. Also, changing clothes in an immersive way is impossible because the sim is General-rated, but there's no place where an avatar can hide to change clothes.
Personal homes in which all added furniture is only for sex and/or BDSM, but there's not even a working bathroom unless it's pre-installed in that house.
Almost all restaurants, cafés etc. everywhere lacking scripted furniture. Sometimes any furniture. They're just fillers on a big urban-style freebie sim. Bonus points for having to walk on green grass to get from the sidewalk to the restaurant entrance.
Park benches freshly ripped from SL, but unscripted. Although several park benches with working sit scripts, even legal ones, are readily available in OpenSim. But unless it's sex furniture, who needs sit scripts anyway, right?
Islands completely surrounded by rocks with not even one measly wooden landing pier. How are people and supplies supposed to get there and back again? With a helicopter landing in the sand between palm trees?
Most OpenSim users don't even know that something like immersion exists. And they clearly don't care a bit.
Send them to one of those Cuteulala Artis amusement park sims. They won't ride the coasters and the waterslides and all that. Instead, they'll complain that they can't copy anything. This is also why the rides are often broken on these sims: Nobody ever tries them, so the sim owners don't know.
And RP sim owners are wondering why nobody comes to roleplay?
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You can see it everywhere.
You can see it in the avatars. Male avatars clad in heavy black leather on tropical beaches, just because they always have to look badass. Female avatars in micro-minidresses and 6-inch platform sandals with 12-inch spike heels both on sandy beaches and on Christmas sims covered in snow and ice, just because they always have to max their sexiness out. Okay, partly also because many popular freebie sims simply don't offer them anything that'd work better. Also, avatars that completely change their hairstyle or even skin tone on a daily basis.
Also, if you walk away from a party so that people won't see you teleport away, you're a weirdo. You're expected to do as everyone else does and teleport away right from the dancefloor.
You can see it on the sims. Paths that are purely decorational and completely useless because they can't be walked, but the sim owner doesn't know because they've never walked them themselves, and they don't care because they don't think anyone else would walk these paths.
Having to teleport over distances that'd be short enough for a walk of a few seconds, but the sim is decorated in such a way that it's impossible to walk. Or at least having to walk through lots of flowers that grow in your only possible way between the landing-point and an important location on the sim because the sim owner has literally never walked around their own sim even once and always flies everywhere, and visitors are expected to use a teleporter for a distance of, like, 50 metres.
Walking actually being required, but with a slope in the way that'd even be too steep for stairs in real life. And you don't have any stairs in-world, you have to crawl up that hill.
Beaches on which you can dance, play Greedy and fuck, but swimming is impossible because the sim owner doesn't even take it into consideration. Also, changing clothes in an immersive way is impossible because the sim is General-rated, but there's no place where an avatar can hide to change clothes.
Personal homes in which all added furniture is only for sex and/or BDSM, but there's not even a working bathroom unless it's pre-installed in that house.
Almost all restaurants, cafés etc. everywhere lacking scripted furniture. Sometimes any furniture. They're just fillers on a big urban-style freebie sim. Bonus points for having to walk on green grass to get from the sidewalk to the restaurant entrance.
Park benches freshly ripped from SL, but unscripted. Although several park benches with working sit scripts, even legal ones, are readily available in OpenSim. But unless it's sex furniture, who needs sit scripts anyway, right?
Islands completely surrounded by rocks with not even one measly wooden landing pier. How are people and supplies supposed to get there and back again? With a helicopter landing in the sand between palm trees?
Most OpenSim users don't even know that something like immersion exists. And they clearly don't care a bit.
Send them to one of those Cuteulala Artis amusement park sims. They won't ride the coasters and the waterslides and all that. Instead, they'll complain that they can't copy anything. This is also why the rides are often broken on these sims: Nobody ever tries them, so the sim owners don't know.
And RP sim owners are wondering why nobody comes to roleplay?
There are RP grids, but I suspect that most of them are private affairs that might not even be HG enabled. Second Life is horrendously expensive and there are some RP games that just don't work that well on a sim or two at the extortionate rates that Linden Labs charge. Anything in Second Life pales almost into insignificance when you can have a 2560x2560 var for your pirate or naval warfare RP running for at least full year for the cost of a month's tier for an SL sim if someone home hosts the server. I came across a few such communities when I first arrived in Opensim more than a decade ago, RP communities that had latched on to the fact that with a modicum of technical ability they could have so much more than they had in Second Life for a fraction of the cost.
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The problem is, the people are here, just too separated and spread out versus how SecondLife is a closed grid where everyone is in a central location.
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