Hey Folks! I'm performing at Rose Island today! Lots of new songs and would love it if you joined me! I want your requests and some new suggestions! Join me here
★ ════ ☆ LIVE at 1:PM OST/4:PM EST
★ ════ ☆ ROSE ISLAND - Barefoot Dreamers
★ ════ ☆ Bi- WEEKLY on Mondays
★ ════ ☆ RIDE:: login.barefoot-dreamers.com:8002:Rose Island
★ ════ ☆ Listen Here: http://us.ishout.net:8497/roguegalaxy
★ ════ ☆ Live Here: https://www.tiktok.com/@rogue8588

Hey everyone! I'm performing at Bourbon Beach today! It's Adriana Pintilie's Birthday! Lots of new songs and would love it if you joined me! I want your requests and some new suggestions! Join me here
★ ════ ☆ LIVE at 11:AM OST/2:PM EST
★ ════ ☆ BOURBON BEACH - PANGEA GRID
★ ════ ☆ RIDE:: hop://pangeagrid.de:8002/Bourbon%20Beach/257/386/23
★ ════ ☆ Listen Here: http://us.ishout.net:8497/roguegalaxy
★ ════ ☆ Live Here: https://www.tiktok.com/@rogue8588

Now we are releasing the CLUB LIGHTS Box
A package with the most requested disco balls, and in the package we have added the STROBO LIGHT ball
2 Perfect accessories for your club!
Come and see for yourself inside the Mosqiuto club in MI AMORE
"use the large stone teleport at the entrance to Mosquito"

Ahora estrenamos la caja CLUB LIGHTS
Un paquete con las bolas de discoteca más solicitadas, y en el paquete hemos añadido la bola STROBO LIGHT
2 ¡Accesorios perfectos para tu club!
Ven y compruébalo tú mismo dentro del club Mosqiuto en MI AMORE
"Usa el teletransporte de piedra grande en la entrada de Mosquito"

https://opensimworld.com/hop/90281
hop://junglefriends.opensim.fun:8002/mi%20amore/450/177/34

"Your Set Sunday" with DJ Kith at Rockin' The Blues!! Tonight at 6:00PM!!
Region: Rockin' The Blues on Wyldwood Bayou Grid
Event begins: 6:00PM Grid Time
Added by: Kith Whitehawk
Details:
One of our most popular sets is when YOU get to be the DJ! You already bring the party...now you get to bring the music!! Bring your blues requests and dedications and DJ Kith will play them for you! Have an old favorite? A fresh new blues tune you heard somewhere? See if you can challenge this awesome DJ tonight! We will have the fun...the friendships that we are famous for, and you bring the music! Come on down to the Bayou and let's party!

wyldwoodbayou.com:8002:Wyldwood Bayou Rockin' The Blues

The ORIGINAL Latex Lounge Fetish Dance with live DJ Molly Sheryffe - Tonight at 5pm Pacific!

Come join in for some great music and a great group of people who've been in the BDSM and Fetish business for over 10 years in Opensim! Free LATEX gift every week!!

Starts at 5pm PST!!
Region: Battersea

Sunday Blues Brunch with DJ Kith on the Bayou Belle!! Sunday Mornings at 9:00AM (SLT)!!
Region: Rockin' The Blues on Wyldwood Bayou Grid
Event begins: 9:00AM Grid Time
Added by: Kith Whitehawk
Details:
Get up, grab your breakfast and come on down to The Bayou Belle to chill with DJ Kith & The Tribe for coffee and relaxing blues!! DJ Kith may be a lousy cook but he's a fabulous blues DJ! He's got the blues that will both ease your troubles from the previous week, put a smile on your face and give you the motivation to head into the next! No better way to start your day than with a heaping helping of DJ Kith and some chill blues! See you there!!

wyldwoodbayou.com:8002:Wyldwood Bayou Rockin' The Blues

Live from Rockin' The Blues! It's Saturday Night with DJ Kith! 7:30PM Grid Time!
Region: Rockin' The Blues on Wyldwood Bayou Grid
Event begins: 7:30PM Grid Time
Added by: Kith Whitehawk
Details:
Blues man DJ Kith continues our Saturday Night Blues Party!! DJ Kith is gonna ROCK OUR HOUSE with the most exciting blues anywhere!! Kith's sets are guaranteed to be fresh and full of surprises, so if you like your blues with an edge... Grab a friend and hop the first gator down to Rockin' the Blues on Wyldwood Bayou Grid! This party will be full of fun, friendship and awesome blues tunes!

wyldwoodbayou.com:8002:Wyldwood Bayou Rockin' The Blues

End of Summer Beach Party - TONIGHT 09/02/2023 - 8:00pm

Join us for our End of Summer Beach Party!!!
8:00pm at Coney Island Beach!
LIVE DJ, Dancing, Fireworks, Rides!!
Bring your beachwear for a GREAT end of summer bash!!

HG: lfgrid.com:8002:Coney Island

DJ Rosie is at Rockin' The Blues Tonight! 6:00PM!!
Region: Rockin' The Blues on Wyldwood Bayou Grid
Event begins: 6:00PM Grid Time
Added by: Kith Whitehawk
Details:
DJ Rosie is filling in for DJ Riker tonight at Hot Daddy's!! That's right! Our DJ from down under is gonna put on her blues hat and entertain us with some rockin' blues from 6:00 to 7:30PM! Come join DJ Rosie & The Tribe as we get this Saturday night off to a rip roarin' start!!

wyldwoodbayou.com:8002:Wyldwood Bayou Rockin' The Blues

This beautiful 2 story Brick Farmhouse with the wrap around porch is available for rent for free of course. It has a full attic and a full basement, 3 bedrooms and a large bathroom, kitchen, dining room, living room and den. The garage is big enough for 2 cars and plenty of tools and the barn is "HUGE". Lots of land to farm. Occupant may decorate as desired and modifications may be made upon approval of the owner. This is true country living at its beautiful best.

Below is a reposting of a comment I made in response to Openlife’s pathetic and wrongheaded rebuff to my initial post. I promised to repost my comment if it was deleted from the thread. Not only did my comment get deleted, but I have been blocked, but through the wonderful technology of alts I am able to access Onellife’s diatribe and also what others who have blocked me are posting. No surprises, it has allowed Onelife to distort and manupulate in order to put across his (wrongheaded) point of view, even to the point of contradicitng themselves on a few occasions.

Seriously, 4chan and 8chan could learn stuff from this lot! Indeed, the more I think about it there is an element in Opensim that seems to want to promote some kind of conspiracy theory. Inadvertantly I seem to have provided fodder, though I cannot for the life of me see how my few comments, none of them at all outrageous, unless you’re one of the EIOSSBF cartel, have created such a furore From that they seem to have taken on a life of their own, becoming ever more grossly distorted according to the viewpoint people like Onelife want to project. Good luck to them, my original piece is there to refute their accusations.

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Good to see that there is at least a fewwho have a balanced view of the software industry. In the interests of full disclosure I am the person who wrote the article for which Openlife’s article is, I suppose, a attempted rebuff .

For clarity's sake, my piece is still up and there to read. Several people have rather bizarrely taken what I wrote and assumed that it is an endorsement of the EchoVoice project. It is not. It is, however, an opinion piece suggesting that if we want the nice things in Opensim, then it's likely we'll have to pay for them, or do without - it really is that simple. EchoVoice was used as an exemplary, nothing else.

I was also accused by Openlife of more or less demanding money with menaces, and by another suggesitng that I was calling people ‘cheap’*.when all I did was to suggest that most people could afford small contributions: not that they had to, and nowhere did I even hint that people should donate, merely that they more than likely could. Of course there will be a very small number of people who won’t be able to afford to contribute to anything, but I hardly think they will exist in any significant number in virtual worlds as they will be destitute, not inworld, and have far more to worry about than the people on here who are triggered at any suggestion that they could, shock, horror, pay some money for something for once in Opensim.

One of Harper Held’s comments was so abusive and intemperate that I not only deleted all their comments, but also blocked them. Both Openlife and GlennXpletive had some of their comments deleted due to them being either needless repetition, or irrelevant rants that had no place and only served to interrupt the flow of the thread. Because of this Xpletive then felt it okay to make xenophobic comments about my ethnicity. A complaint has been made about that.

Any pertinent comments were left. And yet I have been accused by Xpletive of restrictung their free speech, which is ludircrous. If they want to rant about me there are plenty of places where they could do that, and heck, they could even set up a website to do that - but of course, to do that properly, it would cost them money, and presumably these people are the core of the ‘Everything in Opensim should be free’ cult.

Sure, it's possible that someone could come along and do it for 'free', but it's unlikely. The eagle-eyed will also have spotted that my piece, whilst focusing on a voice module, was somewhat wider in scope, and was presenting an argument that maybe we should be prepared to cough up a small amount of money, if we want nice things in Opensim. There is a precedent, though it’s from 2015 (before the EIOSSBF nonsense started) https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2015/02/dahlia-trimbles-...

And if that wasn’t enough, there is this one so we could have decent vehicles in Opensim:https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2015/01/opensim-users-pl...

And... Related to what trggered the OP into writing their piece: https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/01/zetamex-announce...

However, that one didn’t succeed, probably because of the avaialbility of Vivox, which, to a degree is understandable, but hardly an ideal solution.

The notion that Red Hat Linux is free of cost because Fedora is free is also a bit of a dishonest claim. Red Hat does have a cost: https://www.redhat.com/en/store/linux-platforms

EDIT: IBM through Red Hat largely finances both Fedora and CentOS Stream, and development is by both the community and paid professionals employed by Red Hat. A symbiotic relationship common to many opensource projects.

And, as Mike Chase says in his comment, there is a heck of a lot of paid-for work in GNU/Linux and the ‘free’ is more about freedom than free of cost, and, to be fair, most distros don’t make a charge for, but many (if not most) do ask for a contribution to cover their costs, such as this, from Ubuntu MATE: https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/amd64/jammy/thanks/?metho...

I certainly didn’t intend to stir up a hornets (or is it a vipers?) nest over this, all I wanted to do in essence was show how the power of numbers could work hugely to our collective advantage. Anyone might think I’d suggested that people should donate their life savings, or steal the bread from their childern’s mouths! Seriously, some of you would do well to go back to school and learn English comprehension.

*Come to think about it, I do think that most of those bitterly complaining and using the poverty of others as a weapon with which to beat me are indeed ‘cheap’. Not just because they don’t want to contribute towards Opensim project, but because they are cynically and despicably exploiting poor people to bolster their arguments rather than going off and berating exploitative employers for not paying their workers enough to live a comfortable life, or petitioning the government to ensure that adequate unemployment benefits are paid to workers unable to find work.

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Join us at 5 pm grid time for an hour of great fun with a live performance from Steven Strikker.
The Piazza, where great fun and good friends come together.
Drop this link into your map;
http://bridgemere.outworldz.net:8002:Paradise Lagoon

DJ Alex comes on fire, guys at 3 pm grid time! with the hottest tunes for everyone to set the mood. Yes! because it's always time to party. What's the reason for it? Well... we are PARTY PEOPLE!
Piazza, where great fun and good friends come together. Drop this link into your map; http://bridgemere.outworldz.net/:8002:Paradise Lagoon

For any Gloebs users out there, are you having issues with the system not delivering items? It's also not taking out the cost of the item but is taking a fee for the transacation.

Id also like to know from anyone if you think Gloebs or podex is better to use? Or paypal?

Asking for money is not the solution.

In the past, as Copper mentioned, Opensimulator users have already been "cheated." So why go further and ask them for money when many grid owners might need funds to keep their grid running as a hobby and source of entertainment, where they don't earn much money?

The individuals who design Opensimulator, to whom we owe our deepest gratitude, and those who work on derivatives, those who offer "ALL-IN-ONE" solutions like Fred with Dream and Kubwa with their product, do not receive money to feed their families. Even there, there are hours and hours of work, programming, bug fixing; it's not just a simple pastime. Programming to offer a free product is a highly demanding passion.

There's no need to fund the EchoVoice project and continually ask for money. It would be more appropriate to try to find a programmer and contributors to work on an active project, making it compatible with Opensimulator, perhaps developing it in parallel. That would be fantastic, or a team of volunteers who start from scratch by studying the protocols.

Why do I have this idea? Simply because every grid owner could load voice software onto their server in this way, having an independent and parallel voice in Opensimulator.

Why am I against funding EchoVoice? Simply because it would fund a company that employs a programmer and centralizes the voice server, limiting users' freedom of use. I don't believe this is the right path.

Furthermore, the campaign opened by someone insists on saying that open source and projects created by volunteers don't pay rent and don't provide food. I respond again by inviting all of you to think about Ubit, who manages Opensimulator and the contributors to the project, about Fred with Dream Grid that many of you use, and about Kubwa. But this is just one example in the opensim world. There are authors of many viewers who do it out of passion without earning anything. But to go further, it's not true that Red Hat Linux is paid for; all GNU/Linux distributions are free, services are paid for. So, this person who claims that even Linux is paid for is trying to make you believe something that is absolutely not true. Paying for advanced support service or some defined pro features in Linux is equivalent to having something exclusive that that company offers. But even there, you pay about $99 a year to have a SERVICE.

With EchoVoice, you end up funding a company that will need to ask for funding every time until it can generate its own money to pay a programmer for a simple update. Is it based on Opensimulator? If Ubit were to ask for $1 a month for everyone using his (and the contributors') hard work, he would be very wealthy. The same goes for Dream Grid, and this is where the difference lies: the passion with which you program without asking for money, because perhaps through donations you can still achieve a sum.

These individuals, as well as others behind free projects that don't ask for money, started programming and working without asking for anything; that's how trust is gained.

And anyhow, centralizing the EchoVoice service would be wrong.

Think it over carefully.

This is just one of the many beautiful sights to see at the Wildlife Preserve called Peaceful Enclave located on the Lioness Den region of our grid. Glow worms are such a beautiful sight to see in their dark caves and this little cave is no exception to that rule. Stop in and tour the region, enjoy the animals and the landscape, there is just so much to see and you can tour on foot, on a horse or use one of our many vehicles available. Blessings and much love, Lavia.

Lightning-Fast Loading: Experience the magic of your virtual world in the blink of an eye with our supercharged Dreamgrid V has arrived!! 20 seconds to your Dream!

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DJ Macy's Jumpin' Blues Party at Rockin' The Blues Tonight at 6:00PM (SLT)
Region: Rockin' The Blues on Wyldwood Bayou Grid
Event begins: 6:00PM Grid Time
Added by: Kith Whitehawk
Details:
It's Friday! And time for those merry mischief makers, DJ Macy and her hosts Pixey and Amara! DJ Macy is at Rockin' The Blues with 2 hours of "Macy Magic", the most upbeat and happy, toe tapping, butt wiggling blues you have ever heard! Macy loves the boogie side of the blues, and she rocks it like no one else! Add The Tribe and you have the makings for a Friday night blues FRENZY! Come on down to the swamp and let's Rock those blues!!!

wyldwoodbayou.com:8002:Wyldwood Bayou Rockin' The Blues

Ce Vendredi 1er septembre, faites d'une pierre, deux coups !
Venez fêter l'anniversaire de notre cher Minord Loup et participer à l'inauguration de la grille Francopholie, dans une ambiance festive .
Nous comptons sur vous !

hop://francopholie.fr:8002

Littlefield Grid's monthly State of the Grid meeting. All Residents and HG Visitors are welcome!

Friday 09/01/2023 1:30PM Pacific

Today's Topics:
9-11 Memorial Observance, End of Summer Beach Party, Rogue Galaxy performances added, Family Game Night, New Residents.

A great alternative to vivox is mumble. It's changed a lot since the mumble-whisper project for opensim back in 2010. I run a mumble server right here at my house, and anyone can connect to it and try it out. On windows just download the mumble client https://dl.mumble.info/latest/snapshot/client-windows-x64 or on apple mac download this client https://dl.mumble.info/latest/snapshot/client-macos-x64
Mumble also has clients in most linux package managers already ready to go. Mumble has super high voice quality and it's totally private. I've already used it at my grid with several people and the quality was amazing. Plus the fact the mumble server runs on a small raspberry pi at my home with zero problems. If you wish to connect to it, just use cyberdatastorm.com as the server address and you can try it out on port 64738. There are also mumble 'servers' for windows, mac os, and linux. So you can run it on something besides a raspberry pi, and have your completely secure and private own voice server. I understand a lot of people worry about vivox listening in to their private conversations. ok. Here's an alternative. What's great about it is you can play opensim with mumble in the background so it doesn't affect the game play at all, AND it's great voice quality.

I am creating a few outfits of your favorite characters and adding them to the Classic Closet store. The first one is Nurse Chapel- Strange New Worlds!

**for the Classic Avatar**

Christine Chapel-Star Trek-Strange New Worlds

https://blog.trekcore.com/2023/07/star-trek-strange-new-wo...



Strange New Worlds revealed that Nurse Chapel helped develop the technology Starfleet uses to alter human DNA to turn them into aliens.

I adore this character so much that I wanted to create the outfit for her.
Pair it up with your favorite short blond hair!

Badge attribution
Jesperhansen1972, CC BY-SA 3.0 , via Wikimedia Commons
Thank you Ferd Frederix for your inspiration! virtual-hg.com:8002:Monentes Jewelry

80's Tunes Today at 12 to 14 SLT - Angels Club Caribou with DJ Ruth

Friendly, Beautiful, Exciting. Free Homes, Islands, Hideaways, Adult Playgrounds, soft Love, BDSM. For AVs from all grids. Ask Jeanne or Angelic at events.

AVs from all grids welcome in Caribou. Yes we are LGBTQ+.

As we are 18+ we dont need much restrictions. With our few rules you are safe.

Kids, please grow to 18+. Not so much about size, more the impression. Ask Jeanne...

hg.caribougrid.com:16002:Caribou

New homes hideaways play venues every day... Explore!

Make a Caribou Avatar? http://hg.caribougrid.com:16002

Voice in Opensim is a vexed question, and whilst most of us don't use it for a whole host of reasons it is a very useful thing to have. But, so long as there has been a 'free' alternative, most have been happy to use Vivox. For most people Vivox is probably fine, but for some there is one very big downside to using this service: it eavesdrops.

Some years ago I was working on an Opensim based solution for remote meetings, a place where we could virtually meet. Probably the most important criteria was security and privacy, so obviously Vivox, with its policy of eavesdropping was a non-starter. I had become aware of the Whisper project, but that only worked with Opensim up to 0.7.6, and whilst the module was then still available, it isn't now. Also, the Whisper project itself was abandonware. In 2014, Zetamex announced a bounty for anyone finishing the work on the Mumble-Whisper voice module, and started a crowdfunder, which predictably, this being Opensim, raised the derisory sum of $62 from four backers... https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/01/zetamex-announce...

Even at the time, it didn't look as if the bounty would be claimed, as Vivox was still a viable option, so of course that's what people went for rather than for an independent voice solution for Opensim. I did try to contact the person behind the project at the time, as I would have liked to have supported the project, but they did not get back to me. The project I was working on didn't progress, but more because of the high entry threshold of Opensim/Second Life. I still have the OARs I made for the project however.

The EchoVoice project announced in late 2021 offered some promise even though the project was looking for $60k in initial funding. A cynic might think that raising a sum like that in Opensim is just pie in the sky, and so it proved. Thus far the project has raised $775 of the needed $60,000. Hypergrid Business described the project as suffering from 'delayed funding'. https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2022/12/vivox-voice-repl...

And now that Vivox seem to be about to follow through on their decision to close off access to Vivox for most users of Opensim there is now a clamouring. The writing has been on the wall for a very long time, and there have been alternative voice projects launched from within the Opensim community that have been ignored.

At the end of the day we need to take responsibility for our own project. The Opensim project needs lots of things. Opensim needs its own viewer project with all the SL only gunk removing, and arguably a more formally organised Opensim fork project is needed to properly progress the project. But I doubt that any of this will happen because no one will cough up any cash. I know there are some users of Opensim who are extremely cash-strapped, but I reckon that most could afford the odd pound/dollar every once in a while to support projects in Opensim. Even in my most financially straightened times I could always find the odd couple of quid for causes that are important to me. Now that I'm somewhat more financially secure, I can afford to indulge more, but like most, I understandably want to be sure that any project I contribute cash to has a better than evens chance of reaching its goal.

There is only one way we will get the things we want in Opensim, such as a voice module, and that is through paying for them!

EDIT

Some people commenting have adopted an intemperate and abusive tone when making comments. I've deleted a few, (and blocked one persistent offender). Some people have also posted irrelevant comments, which have also been deleted. Please keep comments civil, respectful and on topic.

For those who still aren't sure. (And if you don't mind, don't publish your region)

Second Life and OpenSim are not traditionally classified as "games" in the way titles like World of Warcraft or Fortnite are. Instead, they are often described as virtual worlds or metaverses. Here's an explanation:

Lack of Predetermined Objectives: Unlike many games that have specific objectives, missions, or end goals, Second Life and OpenSim don't offer specific tasks for players. Users decide what they want to do, whether it's socializing, building, trading, or exploring.

Creation and Customization: In both platforms, users can create almost anything, from virtual structures to clothing and art. This level of creative freedom is broader than in most traditional games.

Real Economy: Both Second Life (with its Linden Dollar, L$) and certain OpenSim grids have their own economies and currencies, which in some cases can be exchanged for real money.

Social Interaction: A major draw for many users of both platforms is social interaction, similar to a chat room or social media platform, but in a 3D environment.

Diverse Uses: There are various reasons why people use these platforms, from simple social interaction to business, education, training, simulations, and other purposes unrelated to gaming.

However, although they aren't games in the traditional sense, some users might participate in game-like activities within these virtual worlds or set up regions and environments with game-like objectives.

In essence, both Second Life and OpenSim are more like expansive 3D social platforms or metaverses than traditional games.


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Second Life y OpenSim no se clasifican tradicionalmente como "juegos" de la manera que lo hacen títulos como World of Warcraft o Fortnite. En su lugar, a menudo se describen como mundos virtuales o metaversos. A continuación, una explicación:

Falta de Objetivos Predeterminados: A diferencia de muchos juegos que tienen objetivos específicos, misiones o metas finales, Second Life y OpenSim no ofrecen tareas específicas para los jugadores. Los usuarios deciden qué quieren hacer, ya sea socializar, construir, comerciar o explorar.

Creación y Personalización: En ambas plataformas, los usuarios pueden crear casi cualquier cosa, desde estructuras virtuales hasta ropa y arte. Este nivel de libertad creativa es más amplio que en la mayoría de los juegos tradicionales.

Economía Real: Tanto Second Life (con su Linden Dollar, L$) como ciertas redes de OpenSim tienen sus propias economías y monedas, que en algunos casos pueden ser intercambiadas por dinero real.

Interacción Social: Un gran atractivo para muchos usuarios de ambas plataformas es la interacción social, similar a una sala de chat o plataforma de redes sociales, pero en un entorno 3D.

Usos Diversos: Hay diversas razones por las que la gente usa estas plataformas, desde la simple interacción social hasta negocios, educación, capacitación, simulaciones y otros propósitos no relacionados con los juegos.

Sin embargo, aunque no son juegos en el sentido tradicional, algunos usuarios pueden participar en actividades tipo juego dentro de estos mundos virtuales, o establecer regiones y entornos con objetivos similares a los de un juego.

En esencia, tanto Second Life como OpenSim son más como plataformas sociales 3D expansivas o metaversos que juegos tradicionales.

Hiya everyone out there who reads my posts. Im looking for 3 Djs to entertain at 3 underused venues, right now its DJs choice on days and times. It can be any time there isnt already an event on the grid.
The first DJ Im looking for is someone who enjoys being a dinkie, to play at Funzies World.Music is your own choice, as long as the dinkies enjoy it.
The Second is at Glide Roller Rink which is at the welcome area of the grid. Play Roller dance music and requests, doesnt need to be disco cause I do 70's and 80's disco at TGIF on fridays. Just need to have some fun with it.
Third will be One Love beach Club, now I really want someone who enjoys playing Calypso, Soco, Dub, and Dance Hall. This will be a venue of Barbados and these are the styles of music they play there.
All Djs will work on Tips, if you cant sell Gloebits I can take them for you and send you the money once a month. DJs should also have a mic and use it.. and enjoy what they do. I know I do. Check out the calendar and find a good time for your events.
The Last venue mentioned is still under construction so I am not in a hurry to find anyone but someone who would be perfect for this place.
Come see Essensual McMahon on hg.trianon-world.com:18002:Trianon World Welcome . Looking forward to hearing from you.